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# 11:19 elf-pavlik today's wg teleconf looks bit disorganized, do you plan on joining us? jaensen joined the channel
# 12:35 jaywink elf-pavlik, read about that, good thing you guys got together! jonne posted some notes to me already, looking forward to reading yours. afraid I won't be able to make todays call either. got a presentation I have to work on for tomorrows helsinki python meetup and also family stuff :( hopefully next one - or before that I'll try to post some notes on the mailing list, regarding diaspora bblfish joined the channel
# 12:35 elf-pavlik jaywink, sounds good! all best with your presentation tomorrow :) # 12:37 jaywink elf-pavlik, are you on diaspora, friendica or redmatrix btw? # 12:40 elf-pavlik just created accounts after 31C3 elfpavlik@friendica.eu & elfpavlik@friendicared.de # 12:47 jaywink elf-pavlik, added your friendica.eu account from my pod :) the_frey, nicolagreco, Shane and tantek joined the channel
# 16:59 tantek neat stats - just noticed at the bottom: Please Donate To Bitcoin Address: [[address ]] Donation of [[value ]] BTC Received. Thank You.[[error ]] # 17:00 tantek previous chair was Arnaud, therefore next is Evan with backup of Tantek # 17:04 tantek elf-pavlik: I've updated the agenda with chair / backup # 17:04 tantek so far it looks like it will be pretty short meeting # 17:04 jaywink hey elf-pavlik & tantek, yeah hmm that bitcoin widget thingy sucks, will remove it :P tnx # 17:04 tantek just approval of last meeting minutes and review of open issues # 17:05 jaywink is it possible to join the meeting without calling in? :) AnnBassetti joined the channel
# 17:09 AnnBassetti gee that was fast! # 17:09 tantek we were just commenting that the agenda is fairly light for today # 17:09 AnnBassetti yes, I was wondering # 17:17 elf-pavlik nickstenn, i stay in berlin for couple of days now and plan to stay here ~2 more weeks, please let me know if you stay around and would like to meet :) # 17:18 nickstenn elf-pavlik: hey elf! I'm afraid I'm in the UK just now, and for the next little while # 17:18 nickstenn you should go say hi to friends in the new OKF DE office at Singerstr 109 # 17:18 elf-pavlik i just went to OK Lab in Wikimedia yesterday and tomorrow will meet with Open Oil crew in Betahaus # 17:19 elf-pavlik i might have already visited Singerstr. 109 during one of OK Lab events here back in October... # 17:23 elf-pavlik nickstenn, do you need more real world use cases for Web Annotations WG ? elf-pavlik, the_frey, Morbus, caseorganic and Adam joined the channel
# 17:57 AnnBassetti will be late for meeting, btw ... just got msg my boss is calling me at same time eprodrom joined the channel
# 17:59 eprodrom How's your 2015 going? jasnell joined the channel
# 18:01 eprodrom trackbot start meeting RRSAgent joined the channel
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# 18:01 Zakim ok, trackbot; I see T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM scheduled to start now # 18:02 eprodrom Zakim, who is on the call? # 18:02 Zakim T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM has not yet started, eprodrom # 18:02 Zakim On IRC I see RRSAgent, jasnell, eprodrom, Adam, caseorganic, Morbus, elf-pavlik, AnnBassetti, Shane, jaensen, jaywink, Arnaud, KevinMarks, cwebber2, pdurbin, rhiaro, bigbluehat, # 18:02 Zakim ... wilkie, JakeHart, mattl, bret, Loqi, nickstenn, oshepherd, rektide_, dwhly, kylewm, Tsyesika, jessica_lily, aaronpk, trackbot, sandro, wseltzer # 18:02 eprodrom Oh, I thought I had started it # 18:02 Zakim ok, Arnaud; that matches T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM # 18:02 eprodrom Arnaud: thanks # 18:02 Zakim On the phone I see +1.514.554.aaaa, +1.314.777.aabb, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk # 18:02 eprodrom Zakim, aaaa is me # 18:02 Zakim saw 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org) given for the conference code, elf-pavlik # 18:03 Adam zakim, aabb is me # 18:03 Shane Zakim, ??P4 is me # 18:03 eprodrom Zakim, who is on the call? # 18:03 Zakim On the phone I see eprodrom, Adam, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk, rhiaro (muted), Shane (muted), ??P7, Sandro # 18:04 eprodrom Zakim, who is on the call? # 18:04 Zakim On the phone I see eprodrom, Adam, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk, rhiaro (muted), Shane (muted), elf-pavlik, Sandro # 18:04 sandro has a conflict today, and will try to listen, but wont be able to speak. # 18:05 cwebber2 other SIP lines are working for me, but zakim/w3c is not # 18:05 eprodrom Zakim, who is on the call? # 18:05 Zakim On the phone I see eprodrom, Adam, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk, rhiaro (muted), Shane (muted), elf-pavlik, Sandro, oshepherd # 18:05 eprodrom scribenick rhiaro # 18:06 cwebber2 I can't hear, will just have to follow on IRC for now # 18:07 eprodrom ACTION eprodrom get the minutes for the 12/16 meeting online by next week # 18:07 trackbot Created ACTION-24 - Get the minutes for the 12/16 meeting online by next week [on Evan Prodromou - due 2015-01-13]. # 18:07 rhiaro ... Will get them online for next week. Sorry. # 18:07 rhiaro ... Next week telecon doesn't have much of an agenda, but will be on. # 18:08 rhiaro ... eg. figuring out licencing for pubsubhubbub, has just fallen off the radar # 18:09 rhiaro ... jasnell, can you address some open issues? any updates? # 18:09 Zakim sees on the phone: eprodrom, Adam, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk, rhiaro (muted), Shane (muted), elf-pavlik, Sandro, oshepherd, bret (muted) # 18:09 rhiaro jasnell: Action 9, extended vocab discussion in editors draft # 18:09 rhiaro ... More work once we're further on with the api # 18:10 rhiaro ... Will be merging everything from base schema. Action 9 complete. bblfish joined the channel
# 18:10 rhiaro ... Annotation model: can close it. Would be good to reconnect to the annotations group and see where they're at # 18:11 rhiaro ... They're not doing anything directly with AS yet # 18:11 jessica_lily Zakim P12 is me # 18:11 jessica_lily Zakim, ??P12 is me # 18:11 jessica_lily Zakim, mute me # 18:11 rhiaro ... The other one to do with Social APIs. Colleague Bill Ruby(?) will put together doc about Connections API. He's joined group. # 18:12 rhiaro eprodrom: tantek has an open action to close another action... can close that. # 18:12 rhiaro ... Last meeting we decided date and location of f2f tantek joined the channel
# 18:12 Zakim sorry, cwebber2, I do not recognize a party named '??+1.773.614.aac' # 18:12 eprodrom sandro, are we good for dates for f2f? nicolagreco joined the channel
# 18:12 rhiaro ... sandro to make sure we have venue in Cambridge # 18:13 eprodrom sandro, I will post those dates in a moment # 18:13 Zakim sees on the phone: eprodrom, Adam, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk, rhiaro (muted), Shane (muted), elf-pavlik, Sandro, oshepherd, bret (muted), wilkie, jessica_lily (muted), cwebber2, m # 18:13 Zakim I don't understand '??P14 is not m', tantek # 18:13 eprodrom sandro, if you can confirm we can start making travel plans # 18:14 rhiaro tantek: Also discussed the next two days being an indiewebcamp # 18:14 Zakim sees on the phone: eprodrom, Adam, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk, rhiaro (muted), Shane (muted), elf-pavlik, Sandro, oshepherd, bret (muted), wilkie, jessica_lily (muted), cwebber2, # 18:14 Zakim xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx # 18:14 Zakim if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted # 18:14 Zakim xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx # 18:14 Zakim xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group # 18:14 Zakim I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx # 18:14 Zakim xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx # 18:14 Zakim who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted # 18:14 Zakim unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61# # 18:14 Zakim who's here? - lists the participants on the phone # 18:14 Zakim mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#) # 18:14 Zakim is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present # 18:14 Zakim list conferences - reports the active conferences # 18:14 Zakim this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx # 18:14 Zakim excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel # 18:14 Zakim I last learned something new on $Date: 2013-03-03 19:18:47 $ # 18:15 rhiaro eprodrom: Arnaud, can you clear some actions? # 18:16 tantek elf-pavlik I added some links to x]B�ious research and work on microsyntaxes to your wiki pag. HTH. # 18:16 rhiaro ... Biggest not finished here is updating schedule # 18:17 rhiaro ... How do we get our schedule up to date? Have option to clear it out and just show milestones. Most dates are in the past. Pushed off until next week # 18:17 rhiaro ... My other one is to make sure minutes get up to date. # 18:17 rhiaro elf-pavlik: Can we just remove dates until we have updated ones? # 18:17 tantek agree with remove outdated dates and have no dates instead # 18:17 rhiaro ... Better to have no dates than dates in the past. # 18:17 sandro Meeting space confirmed for March 17-18 (and also 19-20 for IndieWebCamp) # 18:18 rhiaro eprodrom: We agreed last time to keep dates, we have committments on them, on milestones # 18:18 rhiaro ... As a quick fix, will clear out old dates and replace with TBD # 18:18 tantek agree, sounds good to see outdated dates replaced with TBD # 18:20 rhiaro eprodrom: There's a telecon scheduled for tomorrow. The question is priorities in the next two weeks. Use cases are an important priority. # 18:20 rhiaro ... Are there other things we need to ask the interest group to update or concentrate on? # 18:20 eprodrom ack elf-pavlik # 18:21 rhiaro elf-pavlik: Will write about meetings with people from friendica, diaspora, etc for IG # 18:22 Zakim tantek, you wanted to discuss IG and annotations use-cases # 18:22 rhiaro tantek: Use cases in Annotation WG. Can we ask SocialIG to look into annotation use cases? Or if no-one has any interest, also useful to know. # 18:22 AnnBassetti hmm .. interesting # 18:23 rhiaro eprodrom: Important question. The last time we discussed this was at the f2f and KevinMarks was the liason for the Annotation WG # 18:23 rhiaro eprodrom: Don't know if there's someone form the IG to liaise # 18:23 rhiaro tantek: Really useful to know if anyone from SocialIG is or isn't interested in annotations # 18:24 rhiaro eprodrom: Find a way to formalise relationship between SocialIG and Annotations # 18:24 rhiaro tantek: A few days ago topic of quotations posts came up in indiewebcamp, so did some research # 18:24 rhiaro ... When is something in a quotation vs reply vs bookmark # 18:24 rhiaro ... Tried to see if there's similar research in Annotations community - didn't find anything. # 18:25 rhiaro ... If anyone knows anything about any other research about post types where you're doing something with someone elses posts, please tell! # 18:25 rhiaro ... If not, I submit my research for consideration (indiewebcamp.com/quotation) # 18:25 rhiaro eprodrom: In my experience, sounds similar to AS Share verb # 18:25 rhiaro ... kind of a retweet or repost or reshare activity # 18:25 wilkie these are always interesting cases in semantics. like vs favorite vs bookmark too. # 18:26 rhiaro eprodrom: But quotation is like whole thing, quotation is a subset # 18:26 rhiaro ... if you do post somebody's entire post but go in and emphasise, that becomes more of a quotation than a share # 18:26 rhiaro eprodrom: Really interesting case, because it's so common # 18:26 Shane Sounds like the difference between RT (retweet) and MT (modified tweet) on twitter # 18:27 rhiaro tantek: Just want to ask if anyone else knows of any other research # 18:27 eprodrom ack AnnBassetti # 18:27 wilkie Shane: yeah, it more or less is. people find a way to be creative about semantics. it's just natural. # 18:28 rhiaro AnnBassetti: Just wanted clarification from tantek, but have it now. Only distinction I might make is for annotations in this context, we would want to figure out how to distinguish it for social as opposed to any old random annotation # 18:28 rhiaro ... I think tantek's research does that, will have to look # 18:28 rhiaro ... Will bring it up at IG if nobody else does # 18:29 rhiaro ... Don't know where the annotation wg is going with this # 18:29 bret annotations for personal use vs, public shared use? # 18:29 rhiaro ... I imagine if I'm looking at a webpage, I can just be annotating it for myself # 18:29 rhiaro ... On the other hand, could want to share notes # 18:29 oshepherd ActivityStreams already has addressing properties. Perhaps its just the case of using them? # 18:30 eprodrom oshepherd: It'd be interesting to try to model it in AS 2.0 # 18:30 Shane I have a lot of annotations (of a kind) on my site that only show when I'm logged in # 18:30 rhiaro ... Private notes are important consideration # 18:30 rhiaro ... Private notes historically have been considered part of social domain # 18:31 rhiaro ... All social efforts have typically included private notes as part of their work and their scope # 18:31 bret as in social domain covers notes to yourself in the same way they do when shared with others? # 18:31 rhiaro tantek: Different opinions welcome, but that's always been the case # 18:31 rhiaro AnnBassetti: In indieweb, everyone has own site. So if you're doing your own work and posting it on your site for you, but anyone else can read it? # 18:31 rhiaro tantek: Depends on permissions, indieweb and elsewhere # 18:32 rhiaro ... Public, friends-only, private, to individuals # 18:32 rhiaro AnnBassetti: If you give permission to somebody, that's where the social aspect comes in? # 18:32 rhiaro tantek: The larger effort of all these things being social consider private posts to be in scope, rather than needing to contact another person # 18:32 rhiaro ... I realise that seems semantically unusual, but culturally that's how it seems to be in these communities # 18:33 oshepherd Once you have the ability to address posts exclusively to certain people, yourself just becomes a part of that # 18:33 rhiaro AnnBassetti: I could post something to myself, but maybe at some point in the future I could pull you into my confidence and expose it to you # 18:33 rhiaro AnnBassetti: Potentially any human activity is social # 18:34 rhiaro eprodrom: Before we go too far down that path... # 18:34 wilkie we should get philosophical :) we are trying to capture the entirity of human creativity. the challenge is not getting overwhelmed while also not being too limiting. # 18:34 Shane Zakim, ??P16 is me # 18:34 rhiaro ... The other item I want to discuss at the IG is that we've had a process that we've been following for the Social API, which has been to review APIs from proprietary systems # 18:34 rhiaro ... To understand patterns that happen in those APIs # 18:35 rhiaro ... And get to a point where we can assemble functional requirements of a social API # 18:35 Shane Hmm, having trouble with the call, will go irc-only now # 18:35 rhiaro ... Analysis on wiki as well as discussion in calls # 18:35 rhiaro ... Really is time to take evaluations and make them into set of requirements # 18:36 rhiaro ... against which we'll measure candidates for the Social API # 18:36 rhiaro ... Will be useful to get input from the IG in that process # 18:36 rhiaro ... If nobody objects, will put that on agenda for IG tomorrow # 18:36 eprodrom ACTION eprodrom discuss Social API functional requirement process with IG # 18:36 trackbot Created ACTION-25 - Discuss social api functional requirement process with ig [on Evan Prodromou - due 2015-01-13]. # 18:37 rhiaro ... Don't know if we need to discuss this further # 18:38 rhiaro ... Confirm milestones, but will have to discuss next week # 18:38 rhiaro ... Anything else we need to discuss this afternoon? # 18:38 tantek q+ to talk about 2015-01-01 personal site shipments # 18:38 AnnBassetti back to caves .. Bill Porter "Road to Heaven: Encounters with Chinese Hermits" .. fascinating book .. even those hermits were keen to know what was going on with the other hermits! # 18:38 rhiaro ... We had some discussion about media objects in AS. Images, audio, video etc # 18:38 rhiaro ... We could try to focus on moving forward with some proposals on how to handle media objects in AS. # 18:39 rhiaro ... There were two different conversations, but didn't make progress. # 18:39 rhiaro ... If other people are interested, would be good to focus on that # 18:39 rhiaro ... Can we discuss over mailing list this week, and have some resolution to discuss for next week? # 18:39 rhiaro eprodrom: Great, will add to agenda for next week # 18:39 wilkie elf-pavlik: is there an open issue where image representation is contended? # 18:40 elf-pavlik wilkie, i'll try to dig up various email threads and github issue around that # 18:40 rhiaro tantek: informally mention that various indieweb people committed to ship features by 1st Jan # 18:40 rhiaro ... If anyone was working on personal site and shipped something, please add yourself to indiewebcamp wiki # 18:40 jasnell Working a new blog impl based on AS2 and Linked Data Platform here. Not shipped yet. Hopefully by face to face # 18:41 rhiaro ... Interesting to see where people are at and what features are drawing attention # 18:41 Zakim tantek, you wanted to talk about 2015-01-01 personal site shipments # 18:41 AnnBassetti great minutes, rhiaro! # 18:42 AnnBassetti did someone make minutes? # 18:43 Zakim As of this point the attendees have been +1.514.554.aaaa, +1.314.777.aabb, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk, eprodrom, Adam, rhiaro, Shane, Sandro, elf-pavlik, oshepherd, bret, wilkie, # 18:44 Zakim ... jessica_lily, +1.773.614.aacc, cwebber2, tantek, Ann # 18:44 rhiaro eprodrom: since I'll translate this week's minutes to the wiki, shall I do the last meeting at the same time? RRSAgent joined the channel
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# 18:52 tantek if you think that's good / better for the boilerplate - could you add it to any other telcon stub pages you created? e.g. /2015-01-20 and later? # 18:58 Zakim Attendees were +1.514.554.aaaa, +1.314.777.aabb, Arnaud, jasnell, aaronpk, eprodrom, Adam, rhiaro, Shane, Sandro, elf-pavlik, oshepherd, bret, wilkie, jessica_lily, # 18:58 Zakim ... +1.773.614.aacc, cwebber2, tantek, Ann AnnB joined the channel
# 19:29 tantek thanks again elf-pavlik for all your help with the wiki! shepazu, the_frey and Shane joined the channel
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ashokdy hi
elf-pavlik jaywink, howdy
jaywink elf-pavlik, read about that, good thing you guys got together! jonne posted some notes to me already, looking forward to reading yours. afraid I won't be able to make todays call either. got a presentation I have to work on for tomorrows helsinki python meetup and also family stuff :( hopefully next one - or before that I'll try to post some notes on the mailing list, regarding diaspora
Loqi tantek: elf-pavlik left you a message 2 weeks, 4 days ago: to check out jaywink 's work on http://the-federation.info/
tantek jaywink - are you a member of the group? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Members
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aaronpk the minutes are here, must have not been linked from the page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-12-09-minutes
Zakim Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.