#social 2015-01-13

2015-01-13 UTC
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tantek good morning #Social Web WG!
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tantek please review the agenda before our telcon (start in ~45 min) https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13
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tantek if you have additional items for discussion, please add them to https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#Additional_Agenda_Items
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tantek btw is anyone here from OpenSocial?
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jasnell you have a question re:OpenSocial? I can try to answer
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tantek jasnell - lots of questions hence I added it to the agenda
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#OpenSocial_Press_Release
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tantek jasnell - last time I checked you were here from IBM
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tantek my question goes to all members of the working group - who here is "from OpenSocial"
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tantek ?
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tantek as OpenSocial claimed to be "a founding member" of "the W3C Social Web Working Group" - http://www.w3.org/2014/12/opensocial.html.en
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jasnell what's the specific question?
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tantek who here is "from OpenSocial" (organizationally, per the above citation/quotation), and joined at the start of the working group?
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tantek based on http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=72531&public=1 I suppose I am looking for Marum, Matthew or Mertic, John
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jasnell The OpenSocial Foundation has closed per that press release, so technically there is no one here "from OpenSocial" any more. The former officers of OpenSocial (Matt Marum, Andy Smith) are not currently on IRC and have not been participating recently
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tantek jasnell - do you know when was the last time they did participate in the Social Web WG?
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jasnell if there is a specific question you have for them, I can easily pass it on
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jasnell Matt has been on a few calls but I do not recall the last one he was one, I don't track attendance
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jasnell as far as I know, John M. has never joined on a call. How come?
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tantek That was just the start of the questions regarding that press release
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jasnell such as?
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tantek that was one such as
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jasnell you said it was just the start... I assume that means you have more questions. I said that I could try to answer. It's not likely that Matt or John will join the call today
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tantek right, they are questions for anyone to answer, since they relate to our whole working group
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tantek claims are made in that press release about the Social Web WG - and some (most?) of them don't make sense to me hence I will be asking the group
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jasnell do the questions actually impact the technical work of the WG?
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tantek depends on the answers
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tantek e.g. the narrower the answers, the more we can focus our work
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jasnell I've been through that press release several times and I see absolutely nothing that would have any impact on the WG's current technical work
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jasnell nothing that would have an impact on the schedule or work items
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tantek jasnell - I see plenty of misinformation which can impact us, our work, etc. and I'm looking to clarify it ASAP
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jasnell example of misinformation?
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tantek and as far as "impact on the schedule" - you must have a better understanding of our schedule than I do then, as I have NO IDEA what our schedule actually realistically is
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tantek jasnell - hence why I will be asking questions about specific statements
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tantek in that press release
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tantek assuming that what I see as misinformation may be misinterpretation on my part, therefore it is better to ask questions
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jasnell well, personally I'd rather not waste the time on the wg call when we have work items to discuss. the only important part of that press release is that opensocial has ceased operations, has endorsed the work of the social wg, and has donated their remaining resources to support the WG's activities. As of 1/1/2015 there is no more OpenSocial Foundation.
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tantek jasnell - hence I added it last on the agenda
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tantek though I do think it is worth bringing up as I don't think the group as a whole is aware of it nor of the implied commitments from the press release
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tantek (which aren't actual commitments - we don't have to do anything outside our charter no matter what any press release says)
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tantek hmm where are the minutes from 2014-12-16?
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tantek oh I see that's action 24
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tantek http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/24
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tantek huh - our agendas don't link to minutes
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tantek that's not good
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tantek jasnell - specific question, in which telcon did we review https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/OpenSocial_Activity_Streams_API in the same manner as the other API reviews? (Twitter, Foursquare, Pumpio, Micropub, LDP)
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eprodrom Hi all
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jasnell Don't remember the exact one but Evan would likely remember since he was the one who did it
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eprodrom Uh oh
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jasnell @eprodrom ... when did you review the opensocial activity streams api for the WG?
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jasnell which call was that
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eprodrom December 2
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eprodrom https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-12-02#Social_API_review:_OpenSocial_Activity_Streams_API
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eprodrom https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-12-02-minutes
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tantek thanks eprodrom
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bret can't make it this week :(
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aaronpk good morning
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Arnaud tantek, are you around?
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tantek I am - calling
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Arnaud will you start the meeting with trackbot?
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aaronpk zakim didn't prompt me to enter a conference code
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tantek sorry had some network difficulties
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tantek in a min
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aaronpk i think it worked though
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tantek zakim, what is this?
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Arnaud trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim ok, trackbot; I see T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
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trackbot Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot Date: 13 January 2015
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aaronpk Zakim, who is on the call?
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Zakim T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM has not yet started, aaronpk
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Zakim On IRC I see RRSAgent, Lloyd_Fassett, danbri, bblfish, jasnell_, AnnBassetti, eprodrom, tantek, shepazu_away, Arnaud, KevinMarks, rhiaro_, wilkie, Morbus, cwebber2, pdurbin,
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Arnaud zakim, this is socl
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Zakim ok, Arnaud; that matches T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM
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Arnaud Zakim, who is on the phone?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, eprodrom, Arnaud, ??P5, +1.541.410.aaaa, aaronpk, ??P0, ??P9, Sandro, [IPcaller]
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tantek Zakim, mute ??P5
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tantek Zakim, mute ??P9
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tantek since you can't hear me, I'm P9 :)
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tantek zakim, ??p9 is me
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tantek zakim, unmute me
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cwebber2 zakim, ??P5 is me
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aaronpk tantek++
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AnnBassetti is curious what 4-1-# does?
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Loqi tantek has 139 karma
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rhiaro_ Zakim, ??P10 is me
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harry waves, dialing in a sec!
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tantek scribenick AnnBassetti
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tantek Zakim, who is scribing?
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Zakim I don't understand your question, tantek.
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sandro scribenick: AnnBassetti
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tantek scribenick: AnnBassetti
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tantek zakim, who is here?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, eprodrom, Arnaud, cwebber2 (muted), +1.541.410.aaaa, aaronpk, tantek, Sandro, [IPcaller], Ann, rhiaro_ (muted)
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Zakim On IRC I see hhalpin, harry, Zakim, RRSAgent, Lloyd_Fassett, danbri, bblfish, jasnell, AnnBassetti, eprodrom, tantek, shepazu_away, Arnaud, KevinMarks, rhiaro_, wilkie, Morbus,
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Lloyd_Fassett zakim, +1.541.410.aaaa is me
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-06-minutes
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jessica_lily me
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tantek Zakim, ??P11 is jessica_lily
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Zakim +jessica_lily; got it
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AnnBassetti approve minutes .... no objections
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jessica_lily thanks
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cwebber2 no objections here, look good
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AnnBassetti approved
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tantek q?
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AnnBassetti also need to approve minutes from last meeting
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AnnBassetti <link?>
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eprodrom https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-12-16-minutes
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eprodrom Sorry, they were in the agenda
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eprodrom +1
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tantek awaits minuting of what he said
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AnnBassetti Tantek: suggests postponing approval until next week, so people can have time to read
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AnnBassetti ... no objections; added to next agenda
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AnnBassetti ... next week's meeting on schedule per usual
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tantek next week: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-20
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#Discussion_of_media_objects_in_Activity_Streams_2.0
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AnnBassetti ... agenda: Media Objects 2.0 ... suggested by elf, but he's out sick
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rhiaro_ elf said he was ill
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AnnBassetti ... thus postponed
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AnnBassetti ... agenda: Activity Streams
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#Activity_Streams_2.0_publication
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AnnBassetti James Snell:
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AnnBassetti <sorry, missed intro words>
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AnnBassetti ... recommend we update working draft
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AnnBassetti ... both vocabulary and core working drafts
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rhiaro_ Zakim, mute me
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jasnell http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html
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eprodrom q?
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jasnell http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html
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tantek http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html
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tantek http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html
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tantek ack eprodrom
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AnnBassetti Evan: any outstanding issues on 1st Working Draft?
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AnnBassetti JamesS: no ...
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AnnBassetti Evan: is next step to propose moving this to next Working Draft?
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jasnell I've merged in the extended vocabulary work into the editor's drafts. I propose that we update the Working Drafts based on the current editor's drafts
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AnnBassetti Tantek: next step is to ask if there are any other outstanding issues
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harry just ping me when moving things to Working Draft
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AnnBassetti .... I think, James, you asked me to do .... <xx>
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AnnBassetti ... re: microformats
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harry and I'm happy to send it in and go through pubrules
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AnnBassetti James: added <some info re: microformats> but not an expert, would appreciate review
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AnnBassetti Tantek: will take a look
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AnnBassetti James: be aware there are over 900 examples, many of which are microformats!
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AnnBassetti Tantek: will look
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AnnBassetti ACTION: Tantek, review microformats, due Jan. 14, 2015
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AnnBassetti ACTION: tantek review microformats due Jan 14, 2015
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trackbot Created ACTION-26 - Review microformats due jan 14, 2015 [on Tantek Çelik - due 2015-01-20].
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AnnBassetti thanks Evan
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tantek AnnBassetti: can you add the URL to that action?
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tantek URLs
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tantek trackbot, 26?
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trackbot Sorry, tantek, I don't understand 'trackbot, 26?'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
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sandro action-26?
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trackbot action-26 -- Tantek Çelik to Review microformats due jan 14, 2015 -- due 2015-01-20 -- OPEN
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trackbot http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/26
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aaronpk i just update the action with the urls
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AnnBassetti <sorting out how to properly record an action>
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aaronpk s/update/updated
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eprodrom +1
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harry ACTION name blah blah
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AnnBassetti Tantek: proposal for James to prepare updated working drafts for Activity Streams specs on Friday
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Loqi I added a countdown for 1/16 12:00am (#5576)
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AnnBassetti ... proposal ACTION team to review those drafts
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aaronpk tantek, your mic seems to silence until you start speaking, so the first couple hundred milliseconds of your audio is dropped when you start speaking after a gap of silence
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AnnBassetti Tantek: better to capture explicit support
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tantek Zakim, who is here?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, eprodrom, Arnaud, cwebber2 (muted), Lloyd_Fassett, aaronpk, tantek, Sandro, [IPcaller], Ann, jessica_lily, rhiaro_ (muted)
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Zakim On IRC I see tiborKatelbach, nicolagreco, the_frey, danbri1, blooby, hhalpin, harry, Zakim, RRSAgent, Lloyd_Fassett, jasnell, AnnBassetti, eprodrom, tantek, shepazu_away, Arnaud,
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blooby I have a poor voip connection
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AnnBassetti Tantek: checking why people aren't indicating their support or rejection of proposal
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wilkie Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
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aaronpk +1 sounds good
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wilkie me. I joined.
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wilkie :)
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wilkie sorry I'm late
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eprodrom Seems like pretty strong consensus with no objections
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eprodrom Agreed!
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AnnBassetti Tantek: declares consensus; would prefer more responses
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jasnell if anyone finds any issues before friday, post them to the mailing list as well as github
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eprodrom jasnell: I think we're about to do that in the next section
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AnnBassetti ACTION: James Snell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015
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jasnell yes, jsnell
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AnnBassetti ACTION: jasnell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015
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AnnBassetti ACTION: jsnell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015
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trackbot Created ACTION-27 - Update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by jan 16, 2015 [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].
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aaronpk here is the URL http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/27
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aaronpk maybe trackbot should post the URL of the action after it creates it?
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AnnBassetti ACTION: jsnell to prepare working draft for publication based on http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html by Jan 16, 2105
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aaronpk I will go update 27
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AnnBassetti James: these Working Drafts have been stable for awhile, thus would like to consider moving to Last Call
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AnnBassetti Tantek: yes, that will be the next step
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AnnBassetti ... having stability on the editor's working draft is important for moving to next steps
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aaronpk updated the two actions to say "prepare working draft for publication" and "on friday..."
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AnnBassetti James: if anyone sees an issue in the spec(s), please raise issue on GitHub, but copy the mailing list
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AnnBassetti ... will ensure James sees it promptly
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AnnBassetti Tantek: anything else on this topic?
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AnnBassetti <no>
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#Microsyntaxes
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AnnBassetti ... next topic: Microsyntaxes
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AnnBassetti .... Evan's topic?
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AnnBassetti Evan: actually elf's, but happy to speak to it
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AnnBassetti ... issue came up on mailing list
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AnnBassetti ... number of diff systems doing microsyntaxes
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AnnBassetti ... example: with Twitter you put @name to mention a particular user
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AnnBassetti ... Twitter then routes that tweet in a special way
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tantek Instagram also handles @-references like that
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AnnBassetti ... Facebook, Google do similar, with diff syntaxes
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AnnBassetti ... discussion about how to recognize this
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AnnBassetti ... via our mailing list
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AnnBassetti ... how to handle "magic" symbols
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AnnBassetti ... receiver should not have to do special parsing
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AnnBassetti ... To: and Cc: properties should handle
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AnnBassetti ... perhaps add note in Activity Streams that microsyntax in content for other properties should not have to be parsed by the processor
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AnnBassetti ... will check if there's a github issue; will check
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AnnBassetti Tantek: do you want this to be in the Friday draft?
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AnnBassetti Evan: this wasn't proposed by me ... nice to have by Friday, but not a crisis if added later
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AnnBassetti Tantek: agrees
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AnnBassetti James: I'm the one who started this on mailing list
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AnnBassetti ... won't be prob to add by Friday to the spec
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AnnBassetti ... I don't see any normative changes; should be just editorial
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AnnBassetti Evan: agrees
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AnnBassetti Tantek: sounds as if we're resolved on how to handle microsyntax
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AnnBassetti ... any issues, Evan or james?
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AnnBassetti <no>
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#OpenSocial_Press_Release
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AnnBassetti Tantek: last agenda item ... Open Social announcement
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AnnBassetti ... press release issued shortly after last meeting
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AnnBassetti ... want to ensure people are aware of this occurence
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AnnBassetti .... Open Social has formally moved their work to W3C
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harry Zakim, IPcaller.a is hhalpin
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harry apologies, sound issues
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AnnBassetti ... and expect this WG, plus the Social Web IG to do any follow-on work
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AnnBassetti James: notes that Press Release raised some issues for some ...
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AnnBassetti ... he cannot speak for <folks active in Open Social>
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AnnBassetti ... believes any add'l resources they had, they donated to W3C and decided to close themselves down
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AnnBassetti ... does not believe there are any implications that this WG would work on anything specific to that work
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harry s/<folks active in Open Social/Open Social officers board (Matt Marum, etc.)
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harry we can hear you evan
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harry we have no formal commitment to existing OpenSocial specs, although we hope this work and membership can feed into the Social WG's new work.
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AnnBassetti Evan: I wondered, did this announcement mean that we are expected to maintain current or new version of OpenSocial spec?
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jasnell no, there are no obligations with regards to the opensocial specs themselves.
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AnnBassetti ... worried that this implied we might be taking on a big amount of new work
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Arnaud there is no change to the charter, nor any proposal or request to do so
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harry Yep, no additional charter items
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Arnaud so, this doesn't change what we are doing
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AnnBassetti ... appears that OpenSocial gave us their "seal of approval", but without any new charter or additional work
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AnnBassetti ... seems positive
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AnnBassetti Tantek: I agree
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AnnBassetti ... I cited our charter in the announcement for that reason
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AnnBassetti ... maintaining the OpenSocial spec is NOT in our charter; we need to be clear about that
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AnnBassetti ... if anyone thinks we should do that, it needs to be added to our charter
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jasnell to be clear, no one has suggested that the social wg ought to maintain the opensocial specs
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AnnBassetti ... does anyone think we need to add that to our charter?
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AnnBassetti Harry: we had to keep the announcement secret until announced .. apologizes for no preceding discussion with WG
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AnnBassetti ... no formal obligation
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AnnBassetti ... hope some of them might join this WG
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AnnBassetti Tantek: <confirms accuracy of minutes>
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AnnBassetti Harry: <agrees>
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tantek q?
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harry again, if anyone is worried or has concerns, do feel free to email
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AnnBassetti Arnaud: no change to the charter, and no one has asked for change to charter
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harry we thought that since there would be no change to the charter, this is more a big +1 to the existing work and a chance to get new folks involved than anything else.
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AnnBassetti ... good news
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harry Also, this clarifies the space.
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AnnBassetti ... Open Social Foundation acknowledged that the "social web" work is happening here, in this W3C WG
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wseltzer still don't know how much that is
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AnnBassetti ... OSF had some $$ left, which they donated to us
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AnnBassetti ... perhaps towards a F2F dinner or some such
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harry So if you are a developer, you can just go to Social WG
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harry for standards, IG for use-case
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harry q+
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jasnell that's something I can talk to Matt about
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AnnBassetti Evan: re: Harry's point ... wonder if our WG chairs might reach out to former OSF members, inviting them to participate here
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jasnell I can take that action
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jasnell yes please
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jasnell otherwise I'll forget :-)
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harry Yes, it would be good to invite OSF people here
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harry We've seen some emails from Matt Marum from SugarCRM but a lot aren't here
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harry participants
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eprodrom We'd want all the Open Social member organizations and their contact people
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jasnell jsnell will reach out to previous opensocial members to solicit participation in the Social WG
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AnnBassetti ACTION: jsnell to reach out to Open Social Foundation participants to invite them to join the W3C Social Web WG
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tantek q?
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AnnBassetti Wendy: thanks Evan and James for the outreach! good collaboration!
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AnnBassetti ... with "lawyer hat" on, notes W3C has not yet seen the $$
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AnnBassetti ... does not know how much $$ there will actually be
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AnnBassetti ... actual conclusion and transfer is still in work
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AnnBassetti Tantek: notes OpenSocial.org domain name now redirects to one W3C blog post
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AnnBassetti ... wonders if any of the OSF content will be archived and preserved?
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AnnBassetti Sandro: in the past, W3C has occasionally taken on a web site for archival purposes
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AnnBassetti ... not sure if it's appropriate here
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AnnBassetti Ann: what is process to make that happen?
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harry I think TimBL is not needed
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harry I can file a sysreq@w3.org
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AnnBassetti Sandro: TimBL thought it was important and got SysTeam to do it
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harry but I think it's just in the backlog
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AnnBassetti Arnaud: thinks this was part of the negotiation
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AnnBassetti ... that they would keep the domain and single page
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tantek for example this document on opensocial.org just redirects to the blog post: http://docs.opensocial.org/display/OSF/OpenSocial+State+of+the+Union+2011+~+May+12%2C+2011
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jasnell the specs are archived on github
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jasnell https://github.com/OpenSocial/spec
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AnnBassetti Wendy: <said about the domain and single page> .. if this group thinks there is specific content to be saved, we should point it out
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AnnBassetti ... we should identify the crucial content, so W3C can look into it
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harry IMHO its probably ok to just keep OpenSocial on github
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AnnBassetti Tantek: modest request: it would be nice if at least blog posts from OSF could be preserved, to be referenced as history
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AnnBassetti ... including permalinks
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jasnell I'll take that action item to follow up on also
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harry I'm happy to ask Systems Team if ex-OSF people
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jasnell meaning that I'll ask the opensocial folks about it and report back
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harry are ok with that
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jasnell got an answer from andy
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jasnell Andy Smith says, "we have backed all of them up, and they can be made available if necessary"
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harry will go to me
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jasnell "but we felt given the direction of the work and community it was not necessary to manage the migration over"
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jasnell "In terms of twitter and social media, that will gradaully shift over to the w3c exclusively over the next 6 months or so"
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tantek simple request from the Social Web WG: can W3C at least archive the social content (e.g. blog posts) from opensocial.org?
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AnnBassetti James: other content might be the OSF Twitter account, ...
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AnnBassetti ... right person to ask is Andy Smith, who is my colleague at IBM
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AnnBassetti ... I will liaise with him
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harry jasnell, let's co-ordinate when you are ready to publish those drafts!
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AnnBassetti Tantek: past our closing time .. any thing else?
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AnnBassetti ... end of meeting
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eprodrom Thanks Tantek!
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AnnBassetti ... thanks all!
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jasnell harry +1
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cwebber2 thanks AnnBassetti !
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Zakim As of this point the attendees have been jasnell, eprodrom, Arnaud, aaronpk, Sandro, [IPcaller], Ann, tantek, cwebber2, rhiaro_, Lloyd_Fassett, jessica_lily, tiborKatelbach,
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RRSAgent I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-actions.rdf :
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harry Note that there will be a 2-4 day delay between jasnell finishing edits and us publishing on W3C site
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wilkie it is bots talking to bots all the way down. hmm. that's social! they should be creating activities or something.
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tantek zakim, who is on the phone?
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Zakim On the phone I see tantek, [IPcaller], Ann, wilkie, hhalpin
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harry Just email me and Amy re pandoc
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harry we should probably add pandoc instructions to the wiki
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tantek harry - I think we have instructions
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AnnBassetti note that I, for example, cannot install stuff on my Boeing computer
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tantek harry, AnnBassetti https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Scribes
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AnnBassetti (security violation)
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rhiaro I added command line pandoc instructions to the wiki
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AnnBassetti will work with rhiaro and harry to get this done
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tantek rhiaro: we need to expand the scribe instructions to not require any installations
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tantek thanks harry and rhiaro for working with AnnBassetti !
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tantek please take notes on how you did so step-by-step and add to https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Scribes
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rhiaro Does anyone have a technique for doing it without pandoc? I belive the online version hasn't worked properly in the past
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wilkie the online version that people here have linked me will only handle text up to a rather small size
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Zakim Attendees were jasnell, eprodrom, Arnaud, aaronpk, Sandro, [IPcaller], Ann, tantek, cwebber2, rhiaro_, Lloyd_Fassett, jessica_lily, tiborKatelbach, wilkie, rhiaro, Wendy, hhalpin
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rhiaro thanks wilkie. I'll do some investigating
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rhiaro needs a distraction from youtube apis and oauth
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AnnBassetti haha
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tantek wilkie, rhiaro, perhaps ask harry to get #sysreq (w3c systeam) to install and maintain pandoc on pandoc.w3.org
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tantek rather than having to have all of us individually install and maintain it
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rhiaro tantek: I was just thinking about setting something up on my server
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harry I think systeams team has a very very long todo list
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harry so if someone could set it up on their server with a quick webinterface, that would be great (hint hint rhiaro)
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tantek harry - are you saying W3C is unable to maintain their websites?
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rhiaro on it :p
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harry They are working for quite a large number of WGs, so requests go in a queue
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tantek harry - is that queue transparent?
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harry Not as far as I can tell - although anyone can file a request to ask, just email sysreq@w3.org
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harry or to add anything
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harry so on that level, it's at least egalitarian, but I do know they are overloaded with requests
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harry I think if another WG or two used pandoc, that would help request be taken on board
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wilkie we are trying to be trendsetters about wiki minutes so I guess the burden of that is ours at the moment :/
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tantek harry - I suppose I don't believe the "overloaded with requests" until the live list of requests is made public
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harry bring it up!
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tantek harry - I just did
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harry great
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tantek here you go harry: http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-01-13/line/1421176786524
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tantek is going through previous agenda permalink pages and adding explicit links to minutes and IRC log for that day
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aaronpk urls++
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tantek permalinks++
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tantek their "social content" as it were
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tantek now let's see if W3C is able to actually maintain the permalinks of the OpenSocial.org blog posts...
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harry Maybe, the general feeling was that this wasn't asked for by OSF
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harry so unclear
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aaronpk kind of sad to see so many URLs die though. especially ironic given the URLs
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tantek harry, I'm a bit unclear on such "general feelings"
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tantek all I see is "social content" being broken by permalinks failing
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tantek something that the *Social* Web WG cares about ;)
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harry agreed
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wseltzer perma and domain names don't go well together
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tantek wseltzer: it's the most perma we have currently
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tantek unless you have a practical alternative to suggest
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wseltzer tantek, have you played with perma.cc?
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tantek but that's just another domain name
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tantek and a layer of indirection is just as bad as the URL shortener problem
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tantek i.e. *worse* than directly using domain names controlled by the authors
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wseltzer with an archive behind it that aims to keep material available even if its host goes away
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tantek said every other silo startup
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wseltzer sadly, perma.cc is return a 502 at the moment
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk isn't that what archive.org does?
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wseltzer this is a Berkman/Harvard library project, so it was supposed to be open and non-silo
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aaronpk open != non-silo
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tantek wseltzer nah it's about reputation and reliability
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