2015-02-07 UTC
almereyda, bblfish, nicolagreco, dwhly, timbl, melvster, melvster1, elf-pavlik, danbri, danbri1, caseorganic, jaywink, gdpelican and eprodrom joined the channel
# 19:48 eprodrom bblfish: let's chat # 19:49 eprodrom Well, first of all, you're saying nasty things about me all over the Internet # 19:49 eprodrom And I'd like it to stop immediately # 19:49 bblfish It's the fist time in 10 years that you contact me # 19:49 eprodrom Not applicable right now # 19:50 bblfish It is you have never bothered to contact me in 10 years. Now you don't know what is feasible # 19:50 bblfish and your lack of knowledge is pushing you to make this group a farce # 19:50 eprodrom So, I'm going to ask the other chairs to step in. # 19:51 bblfish I'll push this all the way up to the top of the W3C # 19:51 eprodrom And we're going to freeze the User Stories page till Tuesday # 19:51 bblfish because this group is not just a way to rubber stamp what your prejudices # 19:52 bblfish I mean what's the point of going to the W3C to build a centralised Social Web? # 19:53 eprodrom Anyways, you'll be talking to Tantek or Arnaud or both. # 19:53 bblfish Well and if needed you'll be talking to Tim Berners Lee # 19:53 eprodrom But I'd appreciate it if you could take some time away. This will wait until Tuesday. # 19:54 bblfish so you want me to wait until Tuesday so that you can then get a quick vote # 19:54 bblfish OR do you want to get this sorted out before hand # 19:55 bblfish I am sure with a bit of work if you cared about neutrality we could get user stories that were not so clearly biased # 20:30 aaronpk I don't see the bias of non-distributed stories in the initial list caseorganic joined the channel
# 20:46 bblfish aaronpk: Why was there initially a "Proposed" list and then the "Additional" section # 20:47 bblfish aaronpk: and it's only because at the last minute Evan added all at the top "You can assume that all of these stories are independent of network topologies. The stories should work whether all the people have accounts on a single server or if they have accounts on different servers." # 20:47 aaronpk I guess that was implied before? Glad to have it clarified. # 20:48 bblfish but there are differences, which I tried to make clear by adding more explicitly the distribution # 20:48 bblfish In a fully distributed case, you have to give someone your identifier, or find it # 20:50 bblfish aaronpk: here is a clearly non decentralised use case "Delano meets Beth at a company meeting. They are both user interface designers." # 20:50 bblfish I purposefully created three sub sections there for more or less distributed versions of that story # 20:51 bblfish these were all pushed into the "Additional" stories # 20:51 aaronpk I don't understand the two sections of the page, I thought the purpose of this week was to collect everything into a flat list # 20:52 bblfish if the top statement that topology is not important is true, then why make stories where it contains topology. # 20:52 aaronpk I do understand not wanting to introduce hierarchy into the page, like not trying to make subsections # 20:52 bblfish I just thought one could gather stories about following together # 20:53 bblfish furthermore these stories don't even beginn to show what is interesting about a Social Web # 20:53 bblfish what is interesting is how it can help people form different companies work together # 20:54 bblfish not just companies but associations, governemnt, schools, etc, etc... nicolagreco and jamesmsnell joined the channel
eprodrom bblfish: let's chat
aaronpk like this "Responses" one could just as well happen across distinct servers https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Responses