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# 08:12 elf-pavlik sell, rent, trade, meet, announce, offer, wanted, event, service" # 08:13 elf-pavlik rhiaro, hi o/ above looks to me very similar to AS1.0 model with activity having as:verb ( owl:equivalentProperty mf:action ?) pfefferle, Arnaud and jasnell joined the channel
# 12:29 ben_thatmustbeme i'd say you could do this with events and have an actual place for it as events are usually just syndications and should not be using rel=me pfefferle_, pfefferle and Arnaud joined the channel
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# 15:42 melvster1 anyone want to discuss the multiple language use case? # 15:43 melvster1 i have a question, how is it done in microformats using the @lang attribute? harry joined the channel
# 15:55 ben_thatmustbeme in microformats we haven't seen any need for lang setting at all yet. it can be done in html header with lang setting, however lang=en is so flooded with non-english due to copy-paste that its basically been a non-issue. people write in their own language and you choose to consume or not # 15:56 ben_thatmustbeme gets even more complex if you want to write multiple languages intermixed. which is why it has been left to an html representation issue AnnB joined the channel
# 16:04 melvster1 ben_thatmustbeme: so can it be done in microformats? in json ld it's relatively straight forward, similarly in rdfa and the other RDF serializations ... # 16:04 melvster1 ie is it possible to look at an example? # 16:07 melvster1 ben_thatmustbeme: that's the single language case, would it be possible to look at a simple multi language case? # 16:07 melvster1 in the example above you've got text in english and japanese # 16:08 melvster1 from wikipedia # 16:08 melvster1 so the consumer will see it in the language of their prefernce # 16:08 ben_thatmustbeme well you can't have an h-entry that is itself two languages, logically that doesn't make sense, but you can always do <div class="h-entry"><span lang="en">...</span><span lang="de">... # 16:08 melvster1 for all the KevinMarks fans in japan :) # 16:11 melvster1 so you'd have to duplicate that whole structure twice to add language? # 16:11 melvster1 see in json ld you just add a term, so it's quite easy # 16:13 melvster1 ben_thatmustbeme: is there an example of the markup online, or how hard would it be to make one in, say, pastebin? # 16:13 melvster1 i just wanted to see how much of the data structure is replicated to add the 2nd language # 16:13 melvster1 either in html or json # 16:13 ben_thatmustbeme melvster1: i don't know of anyone who uses it, so i would guess there are no examples online # 16:16 ben_thatmustbeme i'm unsure if any MF2 parsers presever language other than offering it up in the html content equivalent. lang= stuff was from microformats1 # 16:17 melvster1 i wonder if this might be a possible interop issue # 16:18 ben_thatmustbeme i still don't see the need for multiple languages other than some basic reference thing like that, which reads more like a strings file # 16:22 melvster1 sure but that's two different conversations 1) is how do I do it in mf2, 2) is whether it should be removed from the spec ... (2) of course can be debated ... I was interested in understanding (1) does @lang get bound to the whole h-entry? # 16:23 melvster1 how do mf2 parsers treat the @lang tag in translating it to JSON, for example ... # 16:24 aaronpk I don't think the lang tag is part of the mf2 parsing algorithm # 16:24 ben_thatmustbeme i looked through the parsing spec for mf2 and it looks like there are no references at all to lang # 16:24 ben_thatmustbeme based on what i have seen in the wiki, looks like it used to be in mf1 but was removed # 16:28 ben_thatmustbeme side note, i'm running on VERY VERY little sleep today (like 3 hours due to network connection issues to our payment processor + cranky infants), so if I come off at all as angry, i am overtired, i get angry when overtired # 16:28 melvster1 ben_thatmustbeme: np, you dont come across as either! :) # 16:29 melvster1 sorry for all the questions, get some rest! :) # 16:34 ben_thatmustbeme so i didn't think i would be able to attend the meeting today because I was supposed to be training a new guy.... apparently I came in today for no reason, he's not coming in today... AdamB joined the channel
# 16:54 melvster KevinMarks: we were discussing how to mark something up in 2 languages, e.g. english and japanese, then how it would look in JSON RRSAgent joined the channel
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# 16:57 Zakim ok, trackbot; I see T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes cwebber2 joined the channel
# 17:00 Zakim ok, Arnaud; that matches T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM # 17:00 Zakim On the phone I see Sandro, Arnaud, aaronpk, Ann # 17:01 AnnB are you some place exotic? # 17:01 ben_thatmustbeme same here cwebber2, but its more of an issue of my cell phone has been behaving really oddly lately # 17:02 Zakim On the phone I see Sandro, Arnaud, aaronpk, Ann, cwebber2, rhiaro (muted), ben_thatmustbeme (muted) hhalpin joined the channel
# 17:03 Zakim the conference code is 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), hhalpin # 17:03 hhalpin sigh, last Zakim call :( # 17:04 rhiaro Topic: Approval of last week's minutes June 9th # 17:05 rhiaro Arnaud: Any actions anyone wants to declare victory for? # 17:05 rhiaro ... There are a bunch of open actions, would be nice to see some closed # 17:06 hhalpin Everyone should just look at them and then announce # 17:06 hhalpin if they have done some # 17:06 hhalpin topic: Social API # 17:06 hhalpin Zakim, who's on the phone? # 17:06 Zakim On the phone I see Sandro, Arnaud, aaronpk, Ann, cwebber2, rhiaro (muted), ben_thatmustbeme (muted), +1.857.445.aacc # 17:06 rhiaro ... When we had the f2f we decided it would make sense to converge the proposals and start to draft a document # 17:06 hhalpin great, both Aaron and Amy # 17:07 rhiaro ... Starting with a strawman, then fill in the blanks # 17:07 rhiaro ... Look at the different proposals, have some alternatives and see which we prefer # 17:07 rhiaro ... There are several people who volunteered to be editors # 17:07 hhalpin I think Tysekia also volunteered to help # 17:07 AnnB zakim, who's on the phone? # 17:07 Zakim On the phone I see Sandro, Arnaud, aaronpk, Ann, cwebber2, rhiaro (muted), ben_thatmustbeme (muted), +1.857.445.aacc # 17:07 hhalpin In particular, any unresolvalbe differences? # 17:08 rhiaro ... This is an opportunity for everyone to get on the same page # 17:08 rhiaro ... What I'm trying to do is base it on actual implementation experience # 17:08 rhiaro ... Been slow because I have a backlog of things to do # 17:08 rhiaro ... However there's now an updated version of the brainstorming document # 17:08 rhiaro ... I implemented this for creating, editing and deleting posts # 17:09 AnnB big thanks to rhiaro, aaronpk, tsyesika! # 17:09 rhiaro ... Plan is to use that as my new micropub endpoint on my own site, had a good experience following this spec # 17:09 rhiaro ... There are two ways to do each post, one form encoded, one json # 17:09 rhiaro ... If you take a look at that, you see examples of both versions # 17:09 rhiaro ... Still more to do to demonstrate this in a useful format, because all it's doing right now is modifying my storage files, not generating output anyone else can see yet # 17:09 rhiaro ... This syntax is based on the idea of edit-posts # 17:10 rhiaro ... The idea that an operation like an edit can be represented with its own URL and the chnages can be described at that URL using microformats # 17:10 aaronpk started going through the activitypump spec and rewrote it in a checklist form ^ # 17:11 aaronpk understand how to implement activitypump and how it maps to micropub and the others, micropub is basically a subset of AP, as well as webmention is # 17:11 aaronpk next steps are going through micropub and seeing what's missing that can be achieved with activitypump and see how they can fit toghether that way # 17:11 aaronpk that might be the basis for this document we were talking about # 17:12 aaronpk haven't gotten much feedback from jessica on that document yet, would like to hear from her soon # 17:12 AdamB Zakim, aadd is AdamB # 17:12 melvster are we agreed on implementing inboxes and outboxes? SoLiD doesnt do that yet, but we've discussed it ... # 17:12 aaronpk Arnaud: right now we have different documents describing the two approaches, but still need to get started on pulling them togetehr into *the* spec # 17:13 AnnB is someone going to do the comparable work with linked data perspective? # 17:13 Zakim sees aaronpk, cwebber on the speaker queue # 17:13 aaronpk bblfish: haven't looked at this yet but had some questions and will send them on the list # 17:14 aaronpk ... i think melvin might have been following closer # 17:14 aaronpk Arnaud: you will need to figure out who there will step up to do that # 17:15 rhiaro cwebber2: The convergence doc is affecting how both micropub and activitypump documents are developing # 17:15 rhiaro ... From seeing forechannel and backchannel discussions between Jessica, Aaron and Amy # 17:15 rhiaro ... I'd like to see strawman document, but it does seem to be affecting real things # 17:15 Zakim I don't understand your question, hhalpin. # 17:16 rhiaro Arnaud: How long is it going to take before we can try to have this document? # 17:16 rhiaro ... Investigate further what's possible, what's missing etc # 17:16 rhiaro ... Sounds like people are busy with prep work # 17:16 AnnB no worries, cwebber2 ... just teasing # 17:16 hhalpin From W3C's perspective, we'd want a FPWD by TPAC at latest - we're quite behind schedule :) # 17:16 aaronpk rhiaro: we could start putting something together this week, would be a starting point # 17:17 hhalpin Whenever the editors are comfortable, quite happy to do a Respec.js training and set them up in CVS etc. # 17:17 AnnB hhalpin, are you going to dial in? # 17:17 aaronpk Arnaud: i understand the challenge of doing this but it was harry's suggestion that we try and mgiht just be a strawman # 17:17 aaronpk ...but that would give us a sense of what needs to be specified # 17:17 Zakim sees on the phone: Sandro, Arnaud, aaronpk, Ann, cwebber2, rhiaro, ben_thatmustbeme (muted), +1.857.445.aacc, bblfish, AdamB # 17:18 aaronpk hhalpin: i agree with amy that we don't want to create yet a third or 4th document that is a fork of the practical work being done # 17:18 aaronpk .. my proposal would be whenever folks are comfortable to converge at least two of the docs, we can do the first editor's draft # 17:18 aaronpk .. i would jhust say whenever you guys are ready ping the WG and we can start the editor's document # 17:20 aaronpk Arnaud: this is a new tool that makes publishing in TR space as easy as it can possibly be # 17:20 hhalpin See here for links: # 17:20 aaronpk .. which is a lot lot better than the old process # 17:20 hhalpin Much *easier*! # 17:20 hhalpin Here's the other link: # 17:20 aaronpk sandro: is aaron's new json document enough to implement this? # 17:21 aaronpk rhiaro: the brainstorming doc is a comparison of activitypump and micropub, both are implementaable. both do things that the otiher doesn't do, and use slightly different vocabularies # 17:21 aaronpk sandro: both of you said you're implementing before you write more down # 17:22 rhiaro aaronpk: the document there right now is part of the picture, the micropub syntax for creating things # 17:22 rhiaro ... you can implement it, but it doesn't have the other half of it which is rendering html, what you do with it when you get the commands # 17:22 rhiaro ... because that's where I am in my implementation process # 17:22 rhiaro ... I've been writing the document, then writing the code, and going back and forth # 17:22 rhiaro ... So it'll keep progressing that way for a while # 17:23 rhiaro ... Part of the goal of the brainstorming document is pulling in the things from activitypump that I'm going to need to do that aren't in micropub yet # 17:23 rhiaro ... that's where the convergence is happening # 17:23 rhiaro ... I find it more useful to have code alongside it to justify things in the spec # 17:24 rhiaro AnnB: Sounds great. Amy proposed to write a strawman document, although harry said we don't need another document. It sounds like what you're working on now are technical explorations, and maybe it is valuable to have a comprehnsive draft of what the ultimate document might be like # 17:24 hhalpin Ann, to be precise I said there was no need to rush it, but I'm happy to set-up an editor's draft when Amy, Aaron, and Tysika are ready # 17:24 rhiaro Arnaud: I second this, I thought that was the plan # 17:24 rhiaro ... Current documents are useful in documenting the status quo, but not necessarily what we need in the end # 17:24 rhiaro ... So you could keep working on that and slowly morph it into the spec that we want to produce # 17:25 rhiaro ... Might be easier to start a fresh document that is meant to be the final spec, and have the outline and fill in the blanks # 17:25 rhiaro ... Happy for editors to figure out what works best # 17:25 AnnB I agree .. it's up to the editors, which way works for you guys # 17:26 rhiaro bblfish: As I understand, it's going very deeply into how you can tie activitypump and micropub together. Before you go to deep it would be helpful to try to do the opposite with activitypump and linked data. Start with major alignments and see if the pieces fit together # 17:26 rhiaro AnnB: We're waiting for someone from the linked data side to do that work # 17:27 rhiaro ... Someone needs to step up, they are willing to accommodate this, but they can't invent the information. Someone from SoLiD needs to step up and provide this # 17:27 rhiaro bblfish: In order to do this one needs to work at the big pieces first, see how they align # 17:27 hhalpin It's also fine to go linearly - i.e. see how activitypump and micropub goes together, and then align that result with SoLID # 17:27 hhalpin whatever works for folks # 17:27 rhiaro ... That you can do by writing up the different pieces that exist and trying to tie one to the other # 17:27 AnnB great, bblfish ... do it! # 17:27 cwebber2 bblfish, that's what the brainstorming doc is doing already # 17:28 rhiaro ... Wanted to check that everybody agreed this is the right proces # 17:28 rhiaro AnnB: it seems like you or melvster or any of the other SoLiD people just need to start doing something # 17:29 rhiaro Arnaud: what we're trying to tell you is there is no disagreement with this approach, there's a lack of putting things in writing from the linked data side # 17:29 rhiaro bblfish - please do make a PR to the brainstorming doc to fill in the same things fro SoLiD! # 17:29 melvster ... is the implication that SoLiD people are not doing anything? ... FYI: both bblfish and I sent mails to the ML in the last week ... # 17:29 hhalpin Well, I think Andrei is updating the SoLID docs # 17:30 melvster is working on implementations, demos, documentation on a daily basis # 17:31 aaronpk rhiaro: that document is what we've been doing, comparing activitypump and micropub, we'd love to get SoLiD in there as well. just make a pull request, we'd be happy to see that # 17:32 rhiaro sandro: I'd like to encourage LDP people to try the implementation first approach # 17:33 rhiaro bblfish: in LDP we had the implementations a year before the WG # 17:33 rhiaro Arnaud: you can do both approaches at the same time # 17:33 rhiaro ... aaron is trying to document and implement and going back and forth, you could do something similar # 17:33 rhiaro ... What sandro is saying is we don't want just vapourware, we want to ground the work in real implementations # 17:34 rhiaro sandro: the SoLiD code works, there are a bunch of servers and a bunch of clients, we could try to get them to speak some elements fo activitypump and micropub and see what changes that requires (just thinking aloud) # 17:34 rhiaro Arnaud: hopefully people have a better understanding of where we stand # 17:34 Zakim ben_thatmustbeme should no longer be muted # 17:35 rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: Jessica would also have a lot to say and isn't here # 17:35 rhiaro ... Basically I've been going through AS2 and fixing microformats examples to match real world implementation # 17:35 rhiaro ... Highlighting parts where I question whether they're needed or if microformats needs to add features # 17:35 rhiaro ... One that did come up was multi-language support # 17:35 rhiaro ... in AS2 you can add multiple translated versions of the same post # 17:36 rhiaro ... I want to float the idea of saying that it doesn't match any user story, no discusison anywhere of multiple languages # 17:36 hhalpin +1 multiple languages # 17:36 Zakim sees cwebber, hhalpin on the speaker queue # 17:36 rhiaro ... But without james and without jessica I don't know how far we can get # 17:36 rhiaro cwebber2: I have a suggestion that might make things easier # 17:36 hhalpin Note that W3C does have staff that can help with this # 17:36 hhalpin if we need some advise, i.e. Richard Ishida # 17:36 rhiaro ... The handling things in multiple langues is already handles in json-ld # 17:36 rhiaro ... It might simplify things if we don't mention it in the AS2 spec, but don't exclude it either # 17:37 rhiaro ... But we don't actually specify it in the spec, so we can kind of explore it more in the future # 17:37 rhiaro ... But it doesn't necessarily set up a barrier when we don't know how hard it's going to be # 17:37 rhiaro ... I do agree that we don't need to conclude anything while jessica isn't here # 17:37 KevinMarks language is also included in microformats implicitly as html has the lang attributr # 17:37 rhiaro <rhiaro> I also assume elf would have something to say # 17:37 rhiaro harry: w3c actually has i18n staff who can give us advice # 17:38 rhiaro ... Sounds like we can lean on json-ld, but if we need it, the w3c has people whose full time job thi sis # 17:38 Zakim sees Sandro, ben_thatmustbeme on the speaker queue # 17:38 rhiaro ... I agree that multiple language support is a good thing for specs in general # 17:38 Zakim sees ben_thatmustbeme on the speaker queue # 17:38 rhiaro Arnaud: from the i18n working group, we should have this # 17:39 hhalpin If we have any questions, W3C has specialist staff can help # 17:39 rhiaro sandro: json-ld inherits from rdf a halfway decent notion of multi language stuff # 17:39 rhiaro ... but it doesn't have really clarified is 'is a given value available in multiple languages' # 17:39 rhiaro ... eg. does a particular city have a name in english and a name in french and a name in russian.. does that count as multiple values, or one value with multiple tags # 17:40 rhiaro ... the i18n activity doesn't know anything about this either # 17:40 rhiaro ... they're happy to work through use cases like ltr vs rtl script and we'll have to get them to review that # 17:40 rhiaro ... but they don't know anything specific about these technologies that would be helpful # 17:41 rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: Just want to be clear that I understand setting a language and saying this text is english, this is an entire post drafted in english then draft the same post in another language # 17:41 rhiaro sandro: then it gets weird because your objects model gets confused about how many posts that is # 17:42 rhiaro Arnaud: We should have the possibility of making posts in different languages, but not necessarily handle this case of multiple versions of the post in multiple languages # 17:42 rhiaro ... On facebook/G+ this isn't a feature. I have friends who will include two languages in one post # 17:43 rhiaro sandro: some languages you can't tell what it is by looking at it, but a screenreader would need to know the language to know how to pronounce things # 17:43 rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: as soon as you mix languages, this is always going to be ap roblem # 17:44 rhiaro sandro: html has 20 years of support for that # 17:44 Zakim KevinMarks, you wanted to discuss html lang and hreflang # 17:44 rhiaro KevinMarks: That's what I was going to say. THe microformats response is the lang= on individual elements # 17:45 rhiaro ... The challenge is, you can do mixed languages within a document and I've seen people do that. What we haven't seen so far in microformats is parsing that out and putting it into the parsed json format # 17:45 rhiaro ... Possibly because we haven't seen much use yet # 17:45 rhiaro ... Another thing is a Google-imposed cultural bias that assumes people only want one language at once # 17:45 rhiaro ... They have documented this, they don't recognise multilingual text # 17:45 rhiaro ... We have ways to express this in html. We should find examples. # 17:46 rhiaro ... What I haven't seen in html or json-ld is a way of saying here's a phrase that translates multiple ways # 17:46 rhiaro ... We had ways of expressing activitystreams stuff with different language markup, but made the same assumption that you're reading in multiple languages # 17:46 hhalpin Its worth thinking about IMHO # 17:46 rhiaro ... It's obviously a real world problem, but we're still well behind silos, not sure it makes sense for us to try to get ahead of them on this one # 17:47 rhiaro AnnB: I agree with sandro in terms of priority, but it seems like a really important thing especially since we're doing social # 17:48 AnnB I just don't want to lose it # 17:48 rhiaro Arnaud: don't see anyone else on the queue, we can continue this discussion. Seems like general agreement we should go light on this, may be too early for us to try to tackle this problem # 17:48 rhiaro ... That's the end of the agenda. Anything else? # 17:48 rhiaro sandro: WebEx. THis is the last week with Zakim # 17:48 melvster FYI: jessica was strongly in favour of keeping multi lang # 17:48 rhiaro ... There will be a phonenumber, or webex software # 17:48 hhalpin In an plus, SIP should work better! # 17:49 rhiaro ... We'll also do a practice next Monday, 24 hours ahead # 17:49 rhiaro ... And try joining 15 minutes early next week # 17:49 AnnB I definitely don't want to lose the multi lang concept # 17:49 rhiaro ... IRC will be used the same, webex is just for audio # 17:49 rhiaro Arnaud: I've done it with other groups, the biggest loss is the tracking of attendance # 17:49 rhiaro ... We'll have to have people tell Zakim that they're present on the call # 17:49 rhiaro ... So the minutes reflect the people attending # 17:50 AnnB too early, I think, KevinMarks # 17:50 AnnB I believe they're looking for WebRTC solution on longer term # 17:50 AnnB right, it's great .. but only handles ~5 people # 17:51 aaronpk talky.io isn't good for large groups, beta.talky.io is better at that. also no phone bridge for talky # 17:51 rhiaro Arnaud: talks about ways webex might go wrong, peopel should call in early # 17:52 rhiaro sandro: I've been using android version, I guess there's an iOS version, that might work well # 17:52 rhiaro Arnaud: if you use the client you join the meeting officially # 17:52 AnnB connecting via browser did not work for me with Firefox, but did work with IE # 17:52 AnnB might be some issue with my Boeing-configured FF # 17:52 rhiaro ... Let us know if you have any questions about webex # 17:52 cwebber2 sandro: is there a link on how to clal in via SIP or phone somewhere, or will there be? # 17:53 rhiaro ... Thanks for joining, talk to you next week! # 17:53 hhalpin bye bye Zakim :( # 17:53 Zakim As of this point the attendees have been Sandro, Arnaud, aaronpk, Ann, +1.773.614.aaaa, rhiaro, +1.401.305.aabb, ben_thatmustbeme, cwebber2, +1.857.445.aacc, bblfish, # 17:53 Zakim ... +1.314.777.aadd, AdamB, +1.408.335.aaee, KevinMarks # 17:53 AnnB waaaa ... Zakim .. # 18:02 Zakim Attendees were Sandro, Arnaud, aaronpk, Ann, +1.773.614.aaaa, rhiaro, +1.401.305.aabb, ben_thatmustbeme, cwebber2, +1.857.445.aacc, bblfish, +1.314.777.aadd, AdamB, # 18:04 AdamB someone walked up to my desk asking for help # 18:20 Zakim sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is # 18:38 AnnB sandro, you there? # 18:38 AnnB I have a question about the WebEx reservation(s) # 18:39 AnnB can you make a choice, when setting up the reservation, to allow people to "enter" the room before you start the meeting? bblfish and jay-hoffmann joined the channel
# 19:55 melvster 'but we're still well behind silos, not sure it makes sense for us to try to get ahead of them on this one' # 19:55 melvster and im not sure I agree that we're behind, at least, not in everything # 19:56 melvster “It’s not that you do open-source because it is somehow morally the right thing to do,” he says. “It’s because it allows you to do a better job." # 19:57 melvster IMHO, we're behind in some things, ahead in other things # 19:58 melvster facebook has a world class API, but AS2 is great with extensibility # 20:04 melvster aaronpk: what dont you like about it? I think lots have used it to innovate ... # 20:05 aaronpk i'm not gonna cite all the issues people have with it, that's an easy search # 20:06 aaronpk the flickr api on the other hand, has been solid for years and years, and still manages to get things right that few other APIs have done # 20:06 melvster hmmm well i dont know what in particular people dont like, perhaps people dont like OAuth, that I can understand, everyone seems to complain about that, after implementing # 20:07 melvster facebook has changed a lot, which is good and bad, good for new features, bad for breaking changes # 20:08 melvster i still think it represents the state of the art in this space, id love to hear concrete things that could be improved tho # 20:08 melvster pity they're not a member of this group and able to argue the reasons behind certain decisions bblfish, harry and hhalpin joined the channel
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# 20:39 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next # 20:40 bret some are not necessarily related, but bridgy has run into many problems with the api # 20:52 melvster bret: got it, tho change doesnt always mean the API itself is bad, I know it's annoying for developers # 20:53 melvster but facebook is constantly learning from having 1 billion users too # 20:54 ben_thatmustbeme more than annoying, its bad for ecosystem, breaks anything previously developed, but i'm just being pedantic # 20:57 melvster im sure they take this into account a large % of facebook activity around 50% I think comes from the API # 21:08 melvster in SoLiD we are using SIOC : Post ... is that going to be a problem? # 21:11 rhiaro melvster: document how solid works in comparison and we can weigh them up. But if sioc:Post is equivalent to mf h-entry and as:Post, the basic models are the same so it's not insurmountable # 21:11 melvster rhiaro: is there some place I can look it up? I cant seem to find the link for the activity vocabulary in html form, if it exists? # 21:12 melvster im not doing much currently in the way of reasoning ... # 21:18 aaronpk it was removed a while ago, i believe it was even minuted # 21:20 melvster aaronpk: so perhaps the API brainstorming minimal viable create request should also change too, it would be good to know what that will be # 21:21 aaronpk sure, someone more familiar with AS2.0 should update that doc # 21:21 melvster in SoLiD we can just PUT any data, so create isnt too hard, but we need to know *what* to create # 21:24 melvster solid is more like a universal API using REST than a set of stories, but if we know the stories we can write out the examples # 21:25 melvster im not really sure we've got that across very clearly ... bblfish joined the channel
# 22:19 melvster rhiaro: yes it's quite confusing because we use SIOC : Post to mean a timeline post and HTTP POST to create a resource in an LDPC # 22:21 rhiaro Yeah, the general confusion is why it was r removed tilgovi joined the channel
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# 22:45 melvster it said social api first public working draft, q3 2014, is that right? # 22:54 rhiaro melvster: mmhm, we're a bit behind, but we're agile :) almereyda, LCyrin, harry and bblfish joined the channel
elf-pavlik "If hReview is about an item and what you think of it, h-listing is about an item and what you want to do with it." - http://microformats.org/wiki/h-listing
ben_thatmustbeme elf-pavlik: just looking at https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/112 and saw your question to tantek about if people use rel="me canonical" ever and how to indicate an actual user profile or not. No, i don't know anyone that does this. rel=me means the linked page is part of the person as well, essentially i suppose the set of all pages referenced with rel=me make up the identity
Loqi Rhiaro made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-06-16]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84661&oldid=84475
melvster1 anyone want to discuss the multiple language use case?
KevinMarks lang is part of html
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Arnaud PROPOSED: Approval of Minutes of 9 June 2015 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-06-09-minutes
bret !tell melvster re facebooks constantly mutating snowflake api has plenty of issues. See https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues?utf8=✓&q=facebook
melvster also in http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/ ... the link to "activity vocabulary" is broken