#social 2015-06-21
2015-06-21 UTC
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: melvster1: the FIRST h-* entry is what is primary topic of a page. Thats why some of us have started to put h-card / h-entry / h-feed on the body tag, so there can be only one top level h-*
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melvster1 ben_thatmustbeme: cool, is the first entry linkable too, ie does it hava a URI also eg with an about="#main" type anchor?
# melvster1 about="#this" probably better
# melvster1 i think that's the only tag needed to converge indieweb and solid ...
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# ben_thatmustbeme melvster1: it is linkable in that the url of the page you are on is the link already (if it has a u-url then that's what should be used instead). After the first h-* is not linkable.
# ben_thatmustbeme Oh by first entry you mean first h-entry? Only if it's the first top level, otherwise no
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# melvster1 ben_thatmustbeme: whats a u-url?
# melvster1 rhiaro: oh great, so it could be a # uri too?
# melvster1 perfect
# melvster1 so then indieweb and solid are a lot closer to convergence than I thought
# melvster1 we just need to respect u-urls
# melvster1 great
# melvster1 rhiaro: but different uris mean different things, if you're going to ignore part of the uri when people are using it, then stuff can break ... it's ok for a silo, but not ok for creating a standard ...
# melvster1 sure i get it ...
# melvster1 but with u-url i see a path to convergence ...
# melvster1 *maybe*
# melvster1 for those that want convergence that is ...
# melvster1 sure, it's only when you start interoperating with other communities do these things become more important
# melvster1 if we can tell people "this is how you can change the parsers to make communities interoperate" .. it gives the options of creating a federation or creating organic growth
# melvster1 then people can decide what they want
# melvster1 the u-url seems a good step in that direction?
# melvster1 so is solid, perhaps even moreso than indieweb ... so as long as we can exchange permalinks there's a good basis for collaboration
# melvster1 i think the main difference between SoLiD and indieweb is that we can have more than one permalink per web page and often do
# melvster1 i cant say im optimistic about convergence, but at least if we can document *how* to do it, some people might want to try it in the future
# melvster1 great
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rhiaro Also if you haven't seen http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention you might be interested
# melvster1 cool!
# melvster1 # seems to be quite an overloaded character
# melvster1 like * in C
# melvster1 no, i get it ... i was the same when i discovered linked data
# melvster1 i didnt see any use cases fo rit
# melvster1 s/fo rit/for it
# melvster1 in fact i felt quite strongly NOT to use frag ids as they were too complex
# melvster1 but over time ive learnt the advantages
# melvster1 rhiaro: thing is, it's a very easy change to the markup of indieweb since u-url is there ... people can choose
# melvster1 a lot will come down to incentives ... say I want to use indieauth I need to add a line of code to my profile, but that's worth it ... then say if an indieweb user wants to use a solid app, they may need to add a line to their profile ... etc.
# melvster1 thats fine
# melvster1 posts tend to be http documents already
# melvster1 rhiaro++
# melvster1 seems more complex than adding a u-url
# melvster1 creating a new page seems more complex than adding an attribute to an h-card
# melvster1 ah ok
# melvster1 well i guess each choice has trade offs