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# 16:53 wilkie cwebber2: I'm running my own copy of mediagoblin now eprodrom, bblfish and bblfish_ joined the channel
# 16:58 aaronpk i've been thinking about something similar, I plan to post a bunch of different kinds of "collections" or maybe you'd call them "feeds" # 16:59 cwebber2 wilkie: coincidentally we have a blogpost from tsyesika coming out real soon that explains the state of federation stuff in mediagoblin :) # 16:59 rhiaro aaronpk, do you mean curated collections that remain static, or dynamic ones like /likes ? # 16:59 eprodrom present+ eprodrom csarven joined the channel
# 17:00 aaronpk dynamic ones. based on the definition of collection vs feed we came up with this weekend, they would be feeds # 17:01 eprodrom I'm giving us a few minutes before the meeting starts # 17:01 eprodrom But please call in! # 17:01 aaronpk +1-617-324-0000 There is a meeting number: 642 112 960 The password is still 'socl' # 17:03 eprodrom trackbot, start meeting RRSAgent joined the channel
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# 17:03 Zakim I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot # 17:04 eprodrom Zakim, who's on the call? # 17:04 Zakim sorry, eprodrom, I don't know what conference this is # 17:04 Zakim On IRC I see RRSAgent, csarven, bblfish_, bblfish, eprodrom, tantek, cwebber2, jasnell_, tilgovi, Arnaud, jaywink, KevinMarks, wilkie, melvster, tessierashpool_, tsyesika, # 17:04 Zakim ... ben_thatmustbeme, Loqi, slvrbckt, sandro, trackbot, raucao, aaronpk, dwhly, JakeHart, bigbluehat, ElijahLynn, mattl, oshepherd, tommorris_, bret, rhiaro, wseltzer # 17:04 eprodrom Zakim, this is SOCL # 17:04 Zakim sorry, eprodrom, I do not see a conference named 'SOCL' in progress or scheduled at this time # 17:04 aaronpk rhiaro: collections are a specific ordering, and items can be added to the collection in specific locations. feeds are always date-ordered and things can only be added to the top of the list # 17:04 eprodrom present+ eprodrom # 17:05 eprodrom Can anyone scribe for us for this meeting? # 17:05 eprodrom scribenick: rhiaro # 17:05 rhiaro audio is a bit crackly though, I'll do my best # 17:06 eprodrom PROPOSED approve minutes of 2015 07 07 # 17:08 rhiaro eprodrom: We voted previouslyto publish a new version of AS2. James, where are we with that? eprodrom_ joined the channel
# 17:08 rhiaro jasnell: Sent an updated copy of drafts to harry two weeks ago, haven't heard back, so going to set up new tool so I can push it myself # 17:08 rhiaro eprodrom: harry has been on vocation, not on the call today # 17:08 eprodrom_ RESOLVED: approve minutes of 2015 07 07 # 17:08 rhiaro jasnell: Yes. I need an auth token from the w3 team lead. Harry or sandro will need to provide that # 17:09 rhiaro sandro: If harry can't do it today I'll look into it # 17:09 rhiaro eprodrom: otherwise docs are ready to go? There was editorial work over the last couple of weeks # 17:10 rhiaro jasnell: The only question is, there have been editorial updates since we voted, so if folks want to revisit and publish the current editors draft, or go with the one we originally approved # 17:10 rhiaro eprodrom: IIRC we resolved to approve, subject to minor corrections # 17:10 rhiaro jasnell: But some of the changes are substantial # 17:10 rhiaro ... I'll published the one we approved the previous week # 17:11 rhiaro ... If we're in a good editoral flow, it makes sense for us to plan for another WD in the enxt month or so, and speed up the schedule # 17:11 rhiaro ... Anything else you need from other members of the group to get this going? # 17:11 rhiaro jasnell: Just need the auth token. Everything else I should be able to set up on my own. If any issues come up I'll work with harry or sandro directly # 17:12 rhiaro ... Updates based on discussions on github. I have added Organization back as an Actor. There was discussion in favour. # 17:12 rhiaro ... Removed as:Favorite as an activity type because of the overlap with Like # 17:12 rhiaro ... Favorites are really a collection of things that have been liked # 17:13 rhiaro ... Also restructured the git repo to be a closer match with what's being published. New directory structure, so the links to the editors drafts have changed, but I've added redirects # 17:13 rhiaro ... Added more expansive friend request example # 17:13 KevinMarks Slack's extension of like/fav to liek with emoji is intersting # 17:13 rhiaro ... These additionals and removals need to be reviewed # 17:13 rhiaro eprodrom: You removed as:Favorite not Favorites # 17:14 rhiaro eprodrom: you've called for specific responses. I'm interested in the change in the purpose. That seems to be closely related to API issues # 17:14 rhiaro ... Not sure if that's something we should see come up more on Social API # 17:15 rhiaro ... Any feedback on this? Adding purpose to collections? # 17:15 rhiaro ... The basic idea is to add a new property to an object which identifies its semantic purpose, or to use ane xtension on the @type # 17:16 rhiaro ... We have a purpose field that says eg. purpose:favorites, or @type Favorites # 17:16 rhiaro ... Could exist on Collections or any other type of object to give you a context on why it would exist # 17:16 rhiaro eprodrom: activitypump defines a number of different collections for each actor # 17:17 aaronpk why do we need anything other than a name for the collection? # 17:17 rhiaro ... You would see that as something we'd add in addition, to specify what those collections are for # 17:17 rhiaro jasnell: Be good if peole can weigh in on github or next week # 17:18 tantek q+ to note that none of our user stories actually explicitly talk about collections, perhaps we should drop the feature from AS2 # 17:18 rhiaro aaronpk: I do have what you're calling collections on my site. Different sets of things like the things I've favorited, or posts about bike rides. What is the purpose of making a machine readable value for the type? # 17:18 rhiaro ... If you just name them, people can figure out what they are. What's the use case for machine readable? hhalpin joined the channel
# 17:19 hhalpin waves, apologies - finishing up a grant meeting # 17:19 rhiaro jasnell: if it's a human doing the discovery then yes that works # 17:19 rhiaro ... If you want to automate the discovery, having an identifier that's consistent and not subject to localisation issues, translations etc, then having the machine readable identifier is preferred # 17:19 rhiaro aaronpk: Okay, so finding specifically the list of what someone has liked, if you want to find everybody's streams of what they've liked # 17:20 rhiaro jasnell: It's very similar to the use of link rels, but rather than attaching it to the link it's attaching it to the object # 17:20 Zakim tantek, you wanted to note that none of our user stories actually explicitly talk about collections, perhaps we should drop the feature from AS2 # 17:21 rhiaro tantek: Wondering if the challenges we are having discussing collections is one example of... AS2 has a lot of features in that arrived with the first draft, but for example the whole notion of a collection is not actually in any of our user stories, except for one with multiple objects. User story about voting on user stories. Other than that there's no user stories with collections # 17:21 rhiaro eprodrom: I'm not sure that's the case. In AS, most of the ideas of a stream or having multiple activities or objects available at a particular endpoint are implemented as collections # 17:21 rhiaro ... Like being able to navigate someone's list of friends # 17:21 cwebber2 I was just going to chime in that inboxes/outboxes in activitypump are collections # 17:21 wilkie how can you have a stream without the concept of a collection # 17:22 Zakim sees ben_thatmustbeme on the speaker queue # 17:22 rhiaro tantek: I guess the challenge I'm having is that collections are like a simple array. Which I agree does make sense. # 17:22 rhiaro ... But when we start talking about giving a collection a special label or type, then I start to think that's not necessary for just having lists of friends # 17:22 rhiaro ... The term collection might be being misused, or at least confusing # 17:22 eprodrom ack ben_thatmustbeme # 17:23 hhalpin A collection tends to be an unordered list, while an array is an ordered list. # 17:23 wilkie you still need some way of identifying the collection in meta. like, how many items does it have? etc # 17:23 hhalpin i.e. a set vs. an unordered set. # 17:23 rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: Couple of qustions. Once you specify one type: here's a collection that only contains favorites. What if my collection contains multiple types? # 17:23 hhalpin I think you can call it more or less whatever you want :) # 17:23 aaronpk i plan on publishing collections with multiple types of posts fwiw # 17:23 rhiaro ... I could just to through the collection and find the type of everything that's in there # 17:23 csarven Wouldn't different typed items belong in different collections? # 17:24 rhiaro ... In case of favorites, the thing favorited might be 'audio', 'video', 'note', etc. What makese them favorite is that they're members of this collection # 17:24 tantek this is odd because in practice we do have "likes" as objects/posts # 17:24 rhiaro ... Just knowing the type of objects that are in that set don't tell you why they're there # 17:24 cwebber2 I do like the way favorites/likes currently show up as objects in pump.io currently # 17:25 rhiaro ... With AP, this notion of inbox and outbox. If you have one collection URL, how do you know whether it's an inbox or outbox? How do you know what it is for? # 17:25 cwebber2 and yeah the permissions thing does happen, sometimes I see someone liked a thing I can't see what it is :) # 17:25 rhiaro ... Having some way to explicitly identify that roles makes it much more explicit # 17:25 rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: Sounds like we need another set of vocabularies for types of collections # 17:26 melvster implemented inbox in the last week ... the bit implementation challenge was how to get PART of the inbox vs ALL of the inbox # 17:26 rhiaro jasnell: I'd rather avoid it. I'd rather not have it be extensive as another set of terms. But looking at the API we already have these notions.. We already see merging some of these concepts of different types of collections # 17:27 rhiaro eprodrom: There's also list of friends, followers, people you're following, list of people you've put into a collection (like g+ circles). # 17:27 cwebber2 collections are critical to activitypump's current design # 17:27 rhiaro ... The thing that's interesting here is that instead of having a list of friends, we have a list of the activities that created those friends # 17:27 rhiaro ... I think that's an interesting question. I wonder if there is value to one side or the other # 17:27 rhiaro ... To me I'd rather have the people than the activities # 17:28 cwebber2 it would be a total restructuring of everything if that were dropped # 17:28 rhiaro ... I don't know if there's a good answer for the other # 17:28 cwebber2 and it would have serious repercussions in what tsyesika is doing structuring things in mediagoblin too # 17:28 rhiaro jasnell: For things like your friends list, we have the relationship object, so you could have a collection of thos eobjects. You could infer friends from that. So not necessarily have the explicity purpose # 17:28 rhiaro ... But for things like likes, favorites, sharing, saving. Those are much more difficult to infer # 17:28 cwebber2 lots of things, playlists of audio/video, feeds of things you like, feeds you subscribe to, those are pretty critical # 17:29 eprodrom example.org/evan/favorites # 17:29 rhiaro eprodrom: Another thing you cold do to infer it is look at /favorites and see if a collection is returned to me # 17:29 rhiaro tantek: I think I understand now what James was saying about rel values # 17:30 rhiaro ... If you have a rel value that says rel="likes-feed" that gives you a way to do discoverability and the feed itself desn't have to say anything # 17:30 rhiaro eprodrom: this is almost the rev in html temrs # 17:31 rhiaro jasnell: There's a number of different ways of doing. Need to make a decision. Do we want to attempt to do everything implicitly where we look at the contents of the collection to see what it's for or do we want an explicit identifier # 17:31 rhiaro ... Or do we do it with the object itself using link rel # 17:31 rhiaro ... Just need to know what people would like to see # 17:31 rhiaro eprodrom: Let's contineu the conversation in the issue # 17:31 rhiaro ... And see if we have an update for our next call # 17:32 hhalpin scribenick: hhalpin # 17:32 hhalpin Should we move onto the Webmention topic then? # 17:32 rhiaro Just a few headers, with some comparison stuff # 17:33 eprodrom rhiaro: are you on the call? # 17:33 hhalpin can you speak rhiaro? # 17:33 hhalpin rhiaro: we've put this document together but haven't had much feedback # 17:33 hhalpin ... no time to update, so it's the same # 17:33 hhalpin ... however, we encourage people to look at it, will be working on it by end of week # 17:33 hhalpin ... start of strawman # 17:34 hhalpin eprodrom: moving from comparison to strawman # 17:34 hhalpin ... still micropub and activitypump evolving side-by-side # 17:34 hhalpin ... we'll continue this development and this doc will track those # 17:35 hhalpin rhiaro: if there's a convergence we add it there # 17:35 hhalpin eprodrom: Next steps is continued work in activitypump, micropub, and tracking similarities # 17:36 hhalpin tantek: As far as an update is concerned, I would be intereted in hearing when the prototypes are done # 17:36 hhalpin ... there is a certain status right now, but how much is prototype and kinda working? # 17:36 hhalpin ... or how much is an API design that hasn't been prototyped? # 17:37 hhalpin aaronpk: My goal is to drive contributions while I have code working on it # 17:37 hhalpin ... I've got a backlog of code # 17:37 hhalpin ... so that's why I haven't contributed as much # 17:37 hhalpin ... as I'm coding first # 17:38 hhalpin eprodrom: Everyone on the call should understand that this work will have a convergened version that will have one spec, correct? # 17:38 hhalpin aaronpk: That was my understanding, but I don't want to make suggestions till the code works # 17:38 hhalpin rhiaro: Mine as well # 17:38 hhalpin ... comparisons are definitly potential, as well as where htings are done diferently, maybe two optioins in one spec # 17:39 hhalpin eprodrom: Very reasonable sounds good! # 17:39 hhalpin topic: charter license update # 17:39 hhalpin want to take scribing back on? # 17:39 hhalpin he said 'sandro, time for an update' # 17:40 rhiaro sandro: Nothing new to share with the group. Issues to straighten out, hoping to get approval from w3c tomorrow or a week from tomorrow, then will go to AC # 17:40 hhalpin scribenick: rhiaro # 17:40 rhiaro tantek: One of the actions assigned to me is define how implied post typing works. The more I write that up, the more it sounds like a spec # 17:40 rhiaro ... Follow a sequence of steps. If I"m goign to contribute that as a spec, I'd like to do that with the new license # 17:41 rhiaro ... So hopefully we'll get through the rechartering quickly # 17:41 rhiaro tantek: As background, SWAT0 is the Social Web Acid Test, is something that myself, evan and david (??) came up with almost five years ago at the Federated Social Web Summit # 17:42 rhiaro ... to provide a difficult challenge for different integrated social services to demonstrate that they are federating in such a way that satisfies a fairly common use case, even at the time, that people were using social networks for # 17:42 rhiaro ... A takes photo of B with their phone and posts and tags B i in it # 17:42 rhiaro ... Then B is notified that someone posted a tagged photo # 17:43 KevinMarks SWAT0 A posts+tags mobile photo of B B photo notified C(follows A) sees it; replies A&B comment notified # 17:43 rhiaro ... Person C who is following A, sees the photo post from A and in the same interface, replies or comments o nthe photo # 17:43 rhiaro ... Both A (author) and B (tagged) get notified # 17:43 rhiaro ... THat's a fairly common thing people do on any photo social network service # 17:43 hhalpin +1 for getting this working!! # 17:44 aaronpk ooh I need to review that to see if it's accurate now that it's been implemented # 17:44 rhiaro ... This weekend, we got that working with three different people, using three different pieces of software, running on their own sites, working with mobile phones # 17:44 rhiaro ... took ap hoto with his phone of B (aaronpk) # 17:44 rhiaro ... Posted it to site from his phone with micropub # 17:44 rhiaro ... used webmentions to notify aaron's site that he tagged him in a photo # 17:44 rhiaro ... aaron got notification on his phone immediately # 17:45 rhiaro ... kylewm, subscribed to ben, saw the photo and commented # 17:46 rhiaro ... Which we got working with micropub, webmentions and microformats # 17:46 rhiaro eprodrom: Great achievement. Congratulations in order # 17:46 ben_thatmustbeme didn't we approve the unanimously +1'd user stories too? need to check previous minutes to double check # 17:46 rhiaro ... Good show of the continued maturing of micropub, webmention and microformats # 17:47 Zakim sees ben_thatmustbeme on the speaker queue # 17:47 eprodrom ack ben_thatmustbeme # 17:47 rhiaro ... Also an interesting challenge to folks working on SoLiD and ActivityPump to show the same kind of activity # 17:47 rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: didn't we approve the +1'd user stories? # 17:47 rhiaro tantek: I vaguely remember that, but couldn't find it on the wiki. Can someone find that resolution? # 17:47 rhiaro ... We should udpate the approved user stories accordingly # 17:48 rhiaro eprodrom: I'll take an action to see if we have that # 17:48 rhiaro ... If we do I'll update the approved user stories # 17:48 rhiaro tantek: maybe one of us just dropped the ball in updating the wiki # 17:49 rhiaro ... The nice thing about SWAT0 is that no one person or implementation can claim to implement SWAT0. You have to have at least two different pieces of software # 17:49 rhiaro ... One of the things we learned that there are very different implementation requirements for A vs B vs C # 17:49 rhiaro ... Identifying those requirements was part of the challenge # 17:49 rhiaro ... Especially for people making their own, it may be easier to play on eof those roles rather than another # 17:49 rhiaro ... But then, it maybe be possible to create software that does all three # 17:49 rhiaro ... There aren't any I'm aware of currently in indieweb # 17:50 rhiaro ... That's maybe another bar to achieve. A piece of software that can play all three roles. I don't think we've had any since statusnet # 17:50 rhiaro eprodrom: This is good step forward. I appreciate everyone's work on it # 17:50 melvster would love to see the indieweb version of SWAT0 interoperate with one of SoLiD and/or ActivityPump, if that is at all feasible # 17:51 eprodrom melvster, are you on the call? # 17:51 rhiaro eprodrom: I'mnot sure if that is feasible. By the definition of those groupings. # 17:51 rhiaro ... We're not talking about pieces of software as much as groups of software that implement particular protocols # 17:51 aaronpk you could certainly upload the photo via a SoLiD api instead of the micropub api # 17:52 rhiaro tantek: certainly possible if there's a solid or AP implementation that published microformats or sends webmentions. Would be a cool bridge. # 17:52 rhiaro ... If anyone is implementing SoLiD or AP based pieces of software, see if you can also publish in your html microformats # 17:52 rhiaro ... If you need help with webmention there are a ton of libraries that are simple to use to call that # 17:52 KevinMarks (I think tantek and me are saying the same thing in parallel) # 17:52 rhiaro eprodrom: The client API could be solid or AP or micropub, and the server to server is using webmention # 17:53 rhiaro tantek: each of the different players is talking whatever with its server # 17:53 rhiaro ... the federation depends on webmention and microformats as far as I can tell # 17:53 rhiaro eprodrom: yes. Interesting to see that happen # 17:53 rhiaro eprodrom: No pending or raised issues that we haven't dealt with # 17:53 rhiaro ... Would like to ask if we have any of our open issues that we'd like to report progress on? # 17:54 trackbot action-71 -- Evan Prodromou to Break up github issue 133 into several ones, and close 133 -- due 2015-07-14 -- OPEN # 17:55 ben_thatmustbeme ' RESOLVED: accept all user stories that are entirely positive as official user stories ' # 17:55 rhiaro eprodrom: One thing that tantek, I and staff contacts have discussed is cutting down on our meeting schedule for the next few weeks, since we are into vacation season # 17:55 rhiaro ... Starting next week, we would skeip every other meeting # 17:56 rhiaro ... We would have no meeting on 21st, but one on 28th # 17:56 rhiaro ... In september we would pick up our regular meeting schedule # 17:56 aaronpk cwebber2: I'm in Portland but not going to oscon! # 17:57 cwebber2 aaronpk: wilkie: ooh, yeah get-together would be great # 17:57 eprodrom trackbot, end meeting # 17:57 Zakim sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is tilgovi joined the channel
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# 20:56 raucao anyone knows a format/vocab i could use for marking up a personal profile in remotestorage? # 20:56 raucao i'd like to have a json ld containing not just a vcard but also things like current location, timezone etc # 20:56 raucao maybe that belongs in a vcard too, not sure # 20:58 raucao as this is the social wg chan, i was just thinking there's probably something somewhere that's maybe at least spec'ed, if not used by multiple programs/sites/services to read people's profile information # 20:58 raucao s/read/publish and consume # 21:01 raucao melvster: what's solid's approach to that? # 21:36 raucao melvster: thanks bblfish joined the channel
# 21:42 raucao ah, i think rhiaro showed me this during indiewebcamp # 21:43 raucao already forgot about it # 21:43 raucao but am i based somewhere when i just visit? # 21:43 raucao sounds to me like that's more of a home location # 21:44 melvster yeah just an example ... but if you look at geo there's stuff there # 21:44 melvster → rdfs:comment → "The relation between something and the point, [nl] # 21:44 melvster or other geometrical thing in space, where it is.â£â£For example, the realtionship between[nl] # 21:44 melvster a radio tower and a Point with a given lat and long.[nl] # 21:44 melvster Or a relationship between a park and its outline as a closed arc of points, or a road and[nl] # 21:45 melvster Clearly in practice there will be limit to the accuracy of any such statement, but one would expect[nl] # 21:45 melvster an accuracy appropriate for the size of the object and uses such as mapping .[nl] # 21:45 melvster lots of stuff out there ... pick and choose what suits your, or make your own ... # 21:46 raucao the point of my question was more to use mostly what existing apps already might understand # 21:46 raucao i know it's nice to mix and match a million vocabs, but it would also be nice to just agree on "this is a profile" roughly with other social apps and use cases # 21:47 raucao (the current location/timezone being a bit of an exception of course, because for most people that doesn't change much and when it does they don't care to update something) # 21:47 raucao (although it could automatically change when they "check in" via apps etc) # 21:48 melvster raucao: yes, you are correct ... I asked andrei, he doesnt use location yet ... so im not really a domain expert on that one ... but we'll implement it soon ... would be very happy to share noes if you have ides ... I think also maybe ask elf-pavlik # 21:48 raucao i'l wait a bit then # 21:49 raucao is buying an L for his last line # 21:49 raucao i want to at least put my foursquare ones in rs # 21:50 raucao for the profile it's more so we can have team dashboards showing everyones timezone etc :) # 21:53 raucao yes. slvrbckt once added remotestorage repos and then it started adding labels to everything all the time :) # 21:56 melvster raucao: what do you think of my idea of a decentralized wallet, you can give every github repo a wallet / economy ... then inter wallet trading so github+chat = gitter, github+tasks=waffle ... github+wallet = SolID ... then they all inter mingle and JS is used to create functional (sic) money # 21:57 raucao uh, that's a lot of things you just put in one sentence # 21:57 raucao not sure i understand the added benefit compared to just publishing a btc address in your readme # 21:57 raucao pay-per-commit is hard to do right as commits can be so vastly different # 21:58 raucao and LOC is not a good measure of effort # 21:58 melvster raucao: in a word liquidity, money creation, be your own central bank ... # 21:58 raucao so positive money attached to repos # 21:58 melvster raucao: very true ... this is why the ICO (initial coin offering) goes in tranches, and you tweak it each time # 21:59 raucao i think every project has to decide for themselves what makes sense in their caes # 21:59 raucao for kosmos we created counterparty tokens # 21:59 raucao but not using them much yet # 21:59 melvster yes exactly ... so every project has a JSON config file that says how things are distributed ... it can become functional too # 21:59 melvster but i feel counter party is fundamentally limited, we will see # 22:00 raucao yes counterparty is very usable already # 22:00 raucao it does everything we'd need from crypto assets # 22:00 raucao including the ability to pay dividends as btc bblfish joined the channel
# 22:02 raucao if it's not mining, then no it can't # 22:02 raucao which is the beauty of bitcoins # 22:02 raucao and of counterparty riding on that blockchain # 22:02 raucao i think i know what you're talking about and people call it positive money # 22:03 raucao but if you count that in btc then you basically just write btc ious # 22:03 raucao no as in money not created by credit # 22:04 melvster raucao: you're very close, it's what im calling a personal coinbase, it's quite complex and quite simple at the same time ... easiest way to understand it will be to use it, ill show you # 22:04 melvster takes everything i learnt from open tabs and from SoLID and puts it together # 22:04 raucao looking forward to trying it out then :) # 22:05 melvster currently in testing ... im just hooking it up to the github node API and tuning for performance # 22:06 melvster "Generally payments are considered first order functions of the web, allowing triggers, hooks, event propagation and smart contracts. JavaScript is the turing complete scripting language. Notaries and oracles can be included using linked data." # 22:07 melvster I think this is going to be like ethereum but using JS and bootstrapping the web # 22:07 melvster only think i didnt add there was a decentralized exchange bblfish joined the channel
# 22:25 melvster raucao: for a currency to be successful it has to be easy enough for people to use, and complex enough to confuse the f*ck out of everyone ... bblfish, bblfish_ and jasnell joined the channel
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ben_thatmustbeme had maybe 3 hours of sleep last night. i'm ready, ;p
jasnell_ item for discussion today: https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/188
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KevinMarks morning
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rhiaro tantek: Wondering if the challenges we are having discussing collections is one example of... AS2 has a lot of features in that arrived with the first draft, but for example the whole notion of a collection is not actually in any of our user stories, except for one with multiple objects. User story about voting on user stories. Other than that there's no user stories with collections
aaronpk I already have multiple post types in the same "collection" actually (what I would call feed/stream) http://aaronparecki.com/metrics
melvster I updated: https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr a fair amount
tantek here's what we have so far: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Approved_user_stories