#social 2015-08-17

2015-08-17 UTC
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jasnell Hello all. I would appreciate some feedback on https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/pull/199
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KevinMarks so this is explictly designed to break compatibility with the existing activity streams api that it shares with OpenSocial?
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KevinMarks and eschews actual paging in favour of making callers fetch each object in the collection individually?
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KevinMarks that's what I get from reading the diffs
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jasnell right now Collections and pages are conflated, there is no distinction made between the collection and the page
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jasnell when looking at things from a linked data perspective, that causes some processing issues because the model is not clear.
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jasnell I have no idea what you mean by "eschews actual paging in favour of making callers fetch each object..." ... this change clarifies the paging model, it does not remove it
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jasnell Activity Streams 1.0 did not include paging, and a variety of implementations implemented paging inconsistently with one another such that there was very little interop. Paging was not added to the core spec until I put it into the 2.0 draft. This does propose a change that is not backwards compatible with that original approach in order to make the vocabulary model easier to implement for those working from a linked data perspective
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jasnell it does not remove paging in any sense, just refactors the model a bit
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ben_thatmustbeme is there really a need for totalItems any more?
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jasnell ben: yes. consider a use where we're using a Collection object but only serializing a small number of the items. For instance, "replies": {"@type": "Collection", "totalItems": 10, "items":["http://example.org/abc/xyz/1"]}
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jasnell well, add a url property to that
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jasnell basically, the totalItems in the collection may be more than the actual number serialized
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ben_thatmustbeme would it make more sense as it being identified as a partial collection vs full collection then?
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ben_thatmustbeme and be similar to a "page" really then
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ben_thatmustbeme my concern of giving numbers when you are talking social networking is that those numbers can potentially move pretty fast
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ben_thatmustbeme same reason i didn'
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ben_thatmustbeme t like have page number etc
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jasnell sorry ben, bouncing between multiple things all day