#social 2015-09-22
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Loqi Mcarvalh made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/Social API/Requirements]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85701&oldid=85299
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rhiaro_ !tell melvster: Isn't that edit to /Requirements kind of backwards? I think you want to say "this user story (Browsing the Friendship Graph) => these requirements (users identifiable by URIs and relations between them needed)" rather than "these are prerequisites of unknown origin and this user story uses them"
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# Loqi Rhiaro made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-09-22]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85702&oldid=85697
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eprodrom Apparently my IRC client puts square brackets around the topic
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ben_thatmustbeme hola
# ben_thatmustbeme conference room conflict, so I am going to try to limit my speaking as i'm at my desk
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# wseltzer present+ wseltzer
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# AnnB present+ AnnB
# ben_thatmustbeme present+ ben_thatmustbeme
# eprodrom present+ eprodrom
# ben_thatmustbeme hi AnnB
# AnnB waves
# ben_thatmustbeme conference room conflict, so trying not to talk as I'm in the code pit (as it were)
# ben_thatmustbeme I can scribe
# AnnB 3 cheers for Ben!
# eprodrom scribenick: ben_thatmustbeme
# ben_thatmustbeme scribenick: ben_thatmustbeme
# eprodrom Ah there we go
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: time to get started
# ben_thatmustbeme topic: Approval of minutes from last week
# eprodrom PROPOSED: accept minutes for 15 Sep 2015
# ben_thatmustbeme ... any objections?
# eprodrom RESOLVED: accept minutes for 15 Sep 2015
# ben_thatmustbeme ... no objects, so lets mark that resolved
# ben_thatmustbeme topic: charter update
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: our charter was approved by AC and went to w3m to then look at results
# ben_thatmustbeme ... my understanding is that they have accepted it, but I don't know if there has been a public announcement
# ben_thatmustbeme ... can sandro or wendy speak to this?
# AnnB (AC = Advisory Committee = the company reps to W3C)
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: the text has been updated and the announcement hasn't been made yet, but that announcement wouldn't go to anyone but the advisory commitee
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: so the URL has been updated? can we paste in chat
# Loqi Tantekelik made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2015-09-22]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85705&oldid=85702
# ben_thatmustbeme ... if you reload that, you can see that it HAS changed from before
# ben_thatmustbeme ... my understanding that because this is updated, our charter update is updated even though there isn't an announcement
# ben_thatmustbeme ... this means we can publicly talk about it, congrats everyone
# ben_thatmustbeme ... we had no, no votes, I feel i can share that
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I guess this means we have wrapped up the charter update, and its helpful for us to know that our charter is still valid
# eprodrom q?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... anything else to discuss about the charter?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... lets move on to
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# eprodrom TOPIC: F2F Doodle poll
# hhalpin waves - was at our W3C system's goodbye party, apologies for being late
# ben_thatmustbeme ... we have decided not to have our F2F meeting at TPAC so we are trying to decide next place and time
# eprodrom http://doodle.com/poll/sc29irgniqqseqtp
# ben_thatmustbeme ... these meetings are super helpful and we would like to get another one as soon
# ben_thatmustbeme ... we have started a doodle poll for places and times for next F2F
# ben_thatmustbeme ... sandro, i believe this was just sent to chairs and staff
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: yes, these are times that worked for staff and chairs
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tantek please answer http://doodle.com/poll/sc29irgniqqseqtp ASAP!
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: we picked a number of locations, we are going to aim for san francisco, or boston for november
# ben_thatmustbeme ... please update with your ability this week
# ben_thatmustbeme ... we will be making a decision by next week
# eprodrom q?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... any other questions about F2F?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... the more answers we get, the better off we are
# eprodrom TOPIC: Activity Streams 2.0
# ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: AS2.0
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: do we have james on the call today? looks like no
# eprodrom ack tantek
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: I'm going to give an update on the last thing i heard from james, after telcon last week we conversed on IRC, we had agreed to publish another draft of AS2 using the new software doc license
# ben_thatmustbeme ... gave an estimate of sept 24th or 25th, and since he is using new w3c system, he should be able to publish himself pretty quickly
# ben_thatmustbeme ... but that is just my proxy of that conversation
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: he should be able to publish himself
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: without further intervention?
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: yes
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: he can do that at any time? not waiting for us?
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: we gave him auth last week
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: our intention is to do this monthly?
# eprodrom q?
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: yes, that was our prev resolution
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: sounds like we are ready to go and its up to james on that
# ben_thatmustbeme ... anything else to discuss on that topic?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... we do have on the agenda to go to open issues, I'd like to come back
# ben_thatmustbeme ... to that
# ben_thatmustbeme ... any objects to pushing that to the end?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... with that i'd like to move on to social API
# eprodrom TOPIC: Social API
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: amy, are you on the phone?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... or aaaron?
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: I am here
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: I was just talking with Amy about this, she wants to put together a schedule for us to make some progress on it in the next couple weeks
# ben_thatmustbeme ... but we have not had a chance to take a crack at it yet. but she is still on her way to moving over to the US
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# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: the idea is to put together a schedule for social API. I'm assuming looking ahead toward F2F meeting at the end of Nov
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: that gives a good target for milestones
# eprodrom ack cwebber2
# eprodrom ack cwebber
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: Amy and I talked abotu this as well, and one suggestion to move forward as the current progress is held back waiting on some implementation
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2 I had a hard time following you there
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: perhaps checking in with other groups to get someidea of progress
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: as the different proposed social apis are being developed, we would consolidate against them as they are being developed and give regular updates
# ben_thatmustbeme yes, thank you
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: i believe we have some open issues around social API, but again, would like to move on first
# ben_thatmustbeme topic: additional agenda items
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: elf isn't here but he added an item that i think was to give a set of implementation phases for implementing the social web stack
# eprodrom ack tantek
# ben_thatmustbeme ... it looks like he has listed that, but since he's not here i'd like to postpone this until next week
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: we did talk about this at last weeks telcon, and its a brainstorm that he has put forth and the feedback that i gave him is that its great to brainstorm publicly and let us know how that project management plan was working for his own implementation first
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I think everyone else has their own step forward with their own implementations
# ben_thatmustbeme ... its recorded in last weeks minutes
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: i'm not sure why its on this agenda then
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: i was hoping it was to give us an update on success at it
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: it seems like the idea is that its for implementers who are getting started
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I'm not going to copy it to next weeks agenda, but i'm going to ask elf-pavlik to add that to the agenda if he has new information to report
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: he should add it to the agenda with info on what he has to report
# eprodrom q?
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: anything more to discuss about this implementation issue?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... normally next we would move on to issues in the tracker
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: as we look at the issues, i don't see anything that needs immediate attention of the group
# ben_thatmustbeme ... rather than digging through all open issues, is there anyone has something to bring up on the tracker or github
# ben_thatmustbeme ... now is the time to draw attention to important issues
# eprodrom TOPIC: new and important issues
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: I can provide at leat a minor update on 1 issue
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I am making good progress on issue 4 and hope to have a working draft for the group by next telcon
# ben_thatmustbeme ... basically providing an algorithm for if you have this class you can imply this class
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek could you do a one line write up of that, going too fast
# ben_thatmustbeme ... hopefully for consideration for publication
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: we have activity streams open issues, and tracker issues
# eprodrom cwebber2: http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/42
# ben_thatmustbeme ... questions for cwebber2, you have an open issue with issue42 around duel licensing the Activity Streams spec
# eprodrom dual not duel
# ben_thatmustbeme ... i haven't looked very closely at the license, can you address this. has the recent charter change fixed this?
# ben_thatmustbeme woops
# eprodrom B-)
# wseltzer q+
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: I think this resolves it but have not fully delved in yet
# ben_thatmustbeme ... if I remember correctly there is the needed text in there, and this can probably be closed
# eprodrom "Permission to copy, modify, and distribute this work, with or without modification, for any purpose and without fee or royalty is hereby granted, provided that you include the following on ALL copies of the work or portions thereof, including modifications:"
# ben_thatmustbeme ... and i can reopen it if there is a problem
# eprodrom ack wseltzer
# ben_thatmustbeme wseltzer: one of our goals in adopting the document liscence was precisely for this type of compatability like this
# ben_thatmustbeme ... its compatable with GPL, please use it and let me know if you have problems
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: I wrote this up before the charter change, so I think I am all set to close the issue
# wseltzer q+
# eprodrom ack tantek
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: I have great respect for wseltzer on these matters, I only want to bring up that I haven't had a chance to have Mozilla team to review this and in the past Mozilla lawyers have disagreed with W3C lawyers on this matter
# AnnB gee, that's disappointing to hear
# ben_thatmustbeme ... Mozilla lawyers have yet to fully review
# eprodrom ack wseltzer
# ben_thatmustbeme wseltzer: this liscense says make a pointer to the text of the license and the FSF has previously said that the new license is GPL compatable, and I hope there will be no disagreement on this one
# wseltzer [no, close the issue]
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: tantek, should we leave this open until with hear from Mozilla?
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: I'm not asking that it be left open, I just wanted to give it as an FYI
# ben_thatmustbeme ... if there is new information in the future I will update
# ben_thatmustbeme ... for Mozilla's purposes we need to be MPL compatible too, so I'm probably going to continue to publish CC0 so that Mozilla compatibility is fine
# ben_thatmustbeme ... it may be more work for me, but should not slow anyone else down
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I'm comfortable closing this
# tantek FYI more background on Mozilla standards license thoughts: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards/license
# ben_thatmustbeme ... any other issues we have open that we should be dicussing?
# AnnB I don't understand this .. I thought Mozilla voted for this new license
# ben_thatmustbeme ... a little difficult when we don't have james and others on the call to dicuss those issues
# AnnB there was tons of discussion about that license
# eprodrom Any additional F2F discussion?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... can we come back to focus our attention on anything else its on F2F
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I think we have some candidates for hosting, anything else about these locations or times?
# eprodrom q?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... either of these times are pretty active travel times
# ben_thatmustbeme ... any other thoughts about F2F?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... any other topics that aren't currently on the agenda?
# wseltzer [this license says, take this work, and tell us that it's licensed this way. Is that so hard?]
# eprodrom Open topics?
# AnnB q+
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: If we do the F2F in SF, well in either case, do we want to at that event, do a more outreachy kind of thing
# ben_thatmustbeme ... see if we can get others to participate who have not yet
# ben_thatmustbeme ... if people know folks who are idiologically on board with this, but not currently participating if they would like to come join us for a few hours
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: would we set aside a section of our schedule for that outreach
# ben_thatmustbeme ... we do intend to go in to a lot of detail and it may be difficult to get new people involved if we are in the detail
# ben_thatmustbeme ... so setting aside a specific time
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I would recommend that either early on, or late in the event
# ben_thatmustbeme ... either as inspiration or being able to present some results
# ben_thatmustbeme ... once we have a date we could start doing that outreach
# eprodrom q?
# eprodrom ack AnnB
# ben_thatmustbeme AnnB: I wonder if we could re-visit the time of this call
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I know some people who would like to be involved but this time does not work for them
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I know its really difficult to change the time, but just wanted to throw that out
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I think that we do have these calls every week, perhaps we could do an alternate time once a month or every other week
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I would be open to it
# hhalpin will check in with Venezia from Telecom Italia
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: in my experience anything more the alternate weeks, and people forget what week they are on and people get more scheduling conflicts
# ben_thatmustbeme ...i'm fine with us doing another survey
# hhalpin I think it depends on if he's merely interested are actually planning on implementing but he could not due Tuesdays due to regularly scheduled conflict
# hhalpin apologies, call dropped and won't let me back in voice
# ben_thatmustbeme ... why don't we wait until after the F2F poll perhaps ask those people to add to the poll for F2f
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: its better to ask for months out as of course everyone already has a schedule for next week
# eprodrom q?
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I like the idea of waiting until after F2F for changing our times
# ben_thatmustbeme ... any other topics?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... then lets all conclued, thank you
# ben_thatmustbeme s/conclued/conclude/
# ben_thatmustbeme trackbot, end meeting
# RRSAgent I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/22-social-minutes.html trackbot
# ben_thatmustbeme Zakim bye
# ben_thatmustbeme bye
# ben_thatmustbeme zakim, bye
# ben_thatmustbeme i'm forgetting Zakim's quirks already
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