#social 2015-11-11

2015-11-11 UTC
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melvster congrats on making progress today, folks
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melvster ideas seem to be converging ...
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bengo cheers
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melvster at last!
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bengo All the new stuff seems compatible with how my org would like to make use of AS, which is sketched here: https://livefyre.github.io/activity-vocabulary/
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bengo And some things like the 'id' -> '@id' alias will help with migrating from previous places we've used more AS1.0-ish serializations
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melvster nice
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melvster interesting use or urn's
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bengo Yeah that's real-world. There's a resolver for a subset of them https://gist.github.com/gobengo/ba5d0dec14ff3080aa6b
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bengo That should really just be webfinger though
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bengo Which I'll do... sometime
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bengo I was on a deadline :)
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melvster im not a huge fan of webfinger
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melvster urn's seem better
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melvster if that's the choice
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melvster why not just use the resolver URL?
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melvster urns are not wrong ... looks like an interesting system
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melvster urns are just a bit harder to use with follow your nose, unless you have out of band information
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melvster but sometimes you dont need that
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bengo That resolver API is pretty much isomorphic to webfinger, just not discoverable via .well-known, which is a nice property.
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bengo Also the resolver didn't exist until relatively recently. lf-URNs have been in use for a few years
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bengo to decouple names from locations
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bengo webfinger could resolve urns is what I meant before
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melvster interesting approach, yes it makes sense, it would be nice if webfinger would give back JSON LD or Activity Streams when you add the URN
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melvster otherwise you have yet another JSON <-> JSON coversion
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bengo Yeah it usually returns JRD or whatever by default right? A requester could 'Accept: application/activity+json'
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bengo and/or -> JRD could get a JSON-LD @context added to it
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melvster it's a bit more tricky than that ... yes you could add another mime type, tho I dont think many people have done that to date
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bengo Webfinger just gives you links to other resources. So that link could be a link to something AS-compliant
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melvster webfinger *can* give you links to other resources, and in general is implemented that way, however it can also return generic data, and string literals, it's not much different from JSON LD
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bengo I see
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melvster i wrote up the differences once
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bengo I want: webfinger(urn:livefyre.com:bens-comment, rel=self) -> http://api.livefyre.com/comments/bens-comment -> GET 'Accept: application/activity+json' -> AS Content
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melvster bengo: here you go https://gist.github.com/melvincarvalho/eb2d356edf85c155f400
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bengo thanks
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melvster *disclaimer* some of that may be inaccurate or incomplete ... i wrote it many years ago ... I could probably fix it now, if someone needed me to, but hopefully gives an idea
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bengo Cool. Well I look forward to a stable AS2 so that, for example, one could make a webfinger extension that specifies how webfinger should respond with Content-Type: AS2
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bengo using AS2 Links if those are still around (or whatever else is appropriate0
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melvster yeah ive pretty much already implemented something quite close to that
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bengo :)
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bengo have a sample cURL?
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melvster well im using turtle, so it would need to be converted to JSON LD in the playground, or wait for me to add a library, i sent a URL to the list let me see if i can find it still
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melvster bengo: here you go:
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melvster curl -H "Accept: text/turtle" http://gitpay.org/.well-known/webfinger?object=melvincarvalho%40gmail.com
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melvster or in html : http://gitpay.org/.well-known/webfinger?object=melvincarvalho%40gmail.com
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bengo hot
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melvster meh
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melvster thx
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melvster bengo: i can do better!
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melvster bengo: try this http://gitpay.org/.well-known/webfinger?object=bengoering@gmail.com
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melvster or http://gitpay.org/gobengo
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melvster or http://graphite.ecs.soton.ac.uk/browser/?uri=http://gitpay.org/gobengo
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melvster sorry I should use https now
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melvster works better: https://gitpay.org/gobengo
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melvster finally got his lets encrypt beta cert \o/
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melvster yep that works: curl -H "Accept: text/turtle" http://gitpay.org/.well-known/webfinger?object=bengoering@gmail.com
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melvster ** work in progress **
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bengo @melvster are you resolving that via google's webfinger?
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bengo My WIP webfinger `curl "https://accounts.qa-ext.livefyre.com/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct%3Aben@livefyre.com&rel=http%3A%2F%2Fopenid.net%2Fspecs%2Fconnect%2F1.0%2Fissuer"`
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bengo (aka the default bheavior of https://github.com/rohe/pyoidc)
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melvster anyone have thoughts on whether or not the new media type activity+json will gain enough traction to go to REC and/or should be marked a feature at risk? akuckartz -- any thoughts?
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melvster im not 100% sure how the process works, but someone told me it can save time later if you want to take something out
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melvster would be interested to hear from those that know more
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melvster id also like to see who's going to implement it
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cwebber2` melvster: I'm probably going to implement it. I would be okay with it being marked at-risk, though I'm pretty sure it's going to be implemented by Evan, tsyesika, and myself at least.
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melvster cool!
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melvster yeah i think it's now time for implementers to speak
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cwebber2 melvster: I'll also clarify: I'm ok with it being marked at-risk... assuming doing so does not shoot this group off into another spiral of indecision :)
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melvster cwebber2: makes sense! id like to understand better what it means, from what I was told it saves time later down the line, but id like to understand better
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cwebber2 melvster: *nod*
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cwebber2 melvster: I'm honestly pretty okay with the profile route for *my own* implementations as long as the profile specifies "compacted, with an implied context", which Manu tells me it can
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cwebber2 melvster: however, I think the argument is that checking for a profile parameter is an "unusual" step for many implementers who are coming from a "just hack json based endpoints" type approach
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melvster yeah, I can believe that
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cwebber2 assuming that's a given, you're a user who knows how to hack json, but doesn't know how to work with json-ld, is it that much harder? I'm not sure
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cwebber2 I actually haven't looked at profile stuff myself :)
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melvster i find turtle easier at this point actually
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cwebber2 I do know that checking mimetypes is pretty easy
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cwebber2 melvster: yes but you're definitely in the linked data world already :)
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melvster so that's probably what im going to stick with, and watch for the sidelines which JSON version takes off more
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cwebber2 this is about catering to those who aren't
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cwebber2 (while providing them with a path into that if they wish to take it!)
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melvster im in all worlds, i use microformats too, i use the right tool for the right job
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cwebber2 melvster: :)
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melvster generally whatever is easiest, because im lazy :)
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cwebber2 melvster: I hope my position is clear, that I'm very, very strongly in support of linked data support in our protocols, because I'm very interested in that future :)
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cwebber2 melvster: but I also want to cater to the kind of technology most webdevs use
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cwebber2 so that drives most of the things I argue for
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melvster cwebber2: that's great to hear! As a former linked data skeptic, I hope you have the experience I did, of trying it, and it exceeds your expectations, for functionality and ease of use.
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pdurbin melvster: now you're a believer?
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melvster pdurbin: I dont think so. I dont think I'll ever be a 'believer' ... just will use the tech that suits me best, until a better one comes along.
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melvster but at the same time, my current evaluation of the stack im using, im very happy
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melvster so 'semi believer' ? :)
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pdurbin fairweather fan ;)
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pdurbin not a bad thing to be in tech :)
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pdurbin huh. can't pull changesets with activity+json? http://irclog.greptilian.com/rest/2015-11-11
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melvster changesets would be cool
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pdurbin yeah
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melvster pdurbin: I suppose yes that is fairweather. But more practically I like to optimize my time. Every tech has a learning curve, so I want that technology to be worth it, if Im going to invest time in it.
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melvster learning stuff is fun, but i really need that stuff i learn to be useful too
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pdurbin oh absolutely. life is short
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melvster well i just wrote my best ever start to a command line ...
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melvster time for change in {1..3} ; do
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ben_thatmustbeme heh
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