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# 17:51 annbass Howdy.. Does anyone know if there is a cost to W3C (or MIT), if they call us rather than us dialing in to meeting? jtilles joined the channel
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# 18:05 Zakim I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot dromasca joined the channel
# 18:06 annbass discovered last night that I tried to put regrets on wiki for last week, but put on wrong day... # 18:07 cwebber2 aaronpk: How important is attribution? there were some lines said by other people # 18:07 cwebber2 tantek: I see myself being thanked from last time for chairing but I didn't chair # 18:08 cwebber2 tantek: can anyone hear a loud jackhammer outside my house # 18:08 cwebber2 tantek: if people want to update the minutes to fix attribution that's fine, we could give it another week, or we could approve pending some attribution edits # 18:08 cwebber2 tantek: you can go ahead and remove the diagnostic output cwebber2 # 18:09 cwebber2 tantek: I see two +1s and no objections, I think people are fine aaronpk if you want to correct mis-attributions # 18:09 cwebber2 tantek: let's go ahead and approve the minutes with the caveat that some attributions might need to be corrected # 18:10 cwebber2 tantek: that's it for discussion items. technical items, here's an updated version of micropub # 18:10 cwebber2 aaronpk: I sent out an email a couple days ago after I published a new ED and I hope to publish a new working draft today after this call # 18:10 cwebber2 aaronpk: if anyone's interested I hope you can review the changelog # 18:11 cwebber2 aaronpk: there's no new issues filed since I sent this, so I assume everyone's fine with it or doesn't care # 18:11 cwebber2 aaronpk: So yeah, I guess I'd like to resolve to publish a WD of this version # 18:12 cwebber2 tantek: looking at changelog myself, you added a new conformance section, that's good, we learned our lesson from the work on AS2 and how that can be a challenging part of a spec to write up and get right # 18:13 Zakim Present: aaronpk, dmitriz, annbass, rhiaro # 18:13 Zakim On IRC I see dromasca, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, dmitriz, eprodrom, azaroth, cwebber2, jtilles, annbass, peacekeeper, bblfish, wilkie, Arnaud, shepazu, oshepherd, ben_thatmustbeme, # 18:13 Zakim ... KevinMarks, wseltzer, ElijahLynn, tessierashpool_, jet, bigbluehat, rhiaro, rrika, trackbot, nickstenn_, Loqi, dwhly, bret, bitbear, tsyesika, aaronpk, raucao, sandro # 18:13 azaroth +0 happy to go with consensus # 18:13 azaroth Present+ Rob_Sanderson # 18:13 Zakim Present: aaronpk, dmitriz, annbass, rhiaro, Rob_Sanderson, sandro # 18:13 Zakim On IRC I see dromasca, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, dmitriz, eprodrom, azaroth, cwebber2, jtilles, annbass, peacekeeper, bblfish, wilkie, Arnaud, shepazu, oshepherd, ben_thatmustbeme, # 18:13 Zakim ... KevinMarks, wseltzer, ElijahLynn, tessierashpool_, jet, bigbluehat, rhiaro, rrika, trackbot, nickstenn_, Loqi, dwhly, bret, bitbear, tsyesika, aaronpk, raucao, sandro # 18:14 annbass +1 .... Go along with group's technical opinion. Will be happy to read for "English" (once I'm home in a couple days) # 18:14 Zakim Present: aaronpk, dmitriz, annbass, rhiaro, Rob_Sanderson, sandro, tsyesika, cwebber2 # 18:14 Zakim On IRC I see dromasca, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, dmitriz, eprodrom, azaroth, cwebber2, jtilles, annbass, peacekeeper, bblfish, wilkie, Arnaud, shepazu, oshepherd, ben_thatmustbeme, # 18:14 Zakim ... KevinMarks, wseltzer, ElijahLynn, tessierashpool_, jet, bigbluehat, rhiaro, rrika, trackbot, nickstenn_, Loqi, dwhly, bret, bitbear, tsyesika, aaronpk, raucao, sandro # 18:15 cwebber2 tantek: that sounds like resolved, could you type that # 18:15 eprodrom present+ eprodrom # 18:15 cwebber2 tantek: ben_thatmustbeme you just missed us approving publishing a WD of micropub # 18:16 cwebber2 tantek: aaron has provided a new ED of webmention as well, I assume you've made a changelog of this too # 18:16 cwebber2 aaronpk: yes there's a changelog, it's a relatively minor update of what's been done, but there's a new IANA considerations section # 18:17 cwebber2 aaronpk: also lots of wording changes. I went through most changes on github # 18:17 cwebber2 aaronpk: you can review what's been closed to see what's going on # 18:17 cwebber2 aaronpk: it's a more minor change as for what's been happening in the spec # 18:17 cwebber2 sandro: I don't understand why the text currently says it's been registered with IANA # 18:18 cwebber2 aaronpk: that's the text that has to be in there to do the register with IANA. It's a chicken and egg problem, you have to do it before they register it # 18:18 cwebber2 sandro: that's correct. I noted annbass noted "weird process" and I must concurr with that sense # 18:19 cwebber2 tantek: those were the changes, is there anything else # 18:20 Zakim Present: aaronpk, dmitriz, annbass, rhiaro, Rob_Sanderson, sandro, tsyesika, cwebber2, ben_thatmustbeme, dromasca, eprodrom, KevinMarks, Arnaud # 18:20 Zakim On IRC I see dromasca, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, dmitriz, eprodrom, azaroth, cwebber2, jtilles, annbass, peacekeeper, bblfish, wilkie, Arnaud, shepazu, oshepherd, ben_thatmustbeme, # 18:20 Zakim ... KevinMarks, wseltzer, ElijahLynn, tessierashpool_, jet, bigbluehat, rhiaro, rrika, trackbot, nickstenn_, Loqi, dwhly, bret, bitbear, tsyesika, aaronpk, raucao, sandro # 18:21 cwebber2 tantek: once again I'm seeing majority of folks responding here so I'll give a few more seconds to raise objections, otherwise it looks pretty solid # 18:21 cwebber2 tantek: and that takes us to tracking of actions and issues # 18:22 cwebber2 tantek: and it looks like we don't have any to attend to in terms of the group, any to raise anything to the group? it seems like we haven't been using a lot of tracker interactions lately # 18:23 tsyesika I was just wondering there was any news on uberconference? (as an alternative to WebEx) # 18:23 cwebber2 tantek: I do note that evan is here, I'd like to give an opportunity to say what's new on AS2 # 18:24 cwebber2 eprodrom: there's been updates to the validator, nothing on the data documents lately, though maybe a PR from james, but conformance section is the big one coming but I hope to have it by next week # 18:24 cwebber2 tantek: ack of tsyesika asking if there's any updates on uberconference # 18:24 cwebber2 sandro: I haven't done anything yet, would it make a difference for you? # 18:25 cwebber2 cwebber2: we should probably show a demo of the pump.io <-> mediagoblin federation demo if we can # 18:26 annbass Now that I'm back, I'm happy to do something .. Not involving writing code # 18:26 cwebber2 sandro: people should put together next steps on their documents so right now we're free form # 18:26 cwebber2 tantek: let's make that a request for people to do, also we did a required reading section on the SF f2f # 18:26 cwebber2 tantek: let's make sure we have a similar required reading section this time # 18:27 cwebber2 sandro: required reading being... all current drafts? # 18:27 cwebber2 tantek: and next category is other drafts we *may* iterate on # 18:27 cwebber2 tantek: if anyone else wants to add proposals, that can be third # 18:31 cwebber2 cwebber2: would everyone be interested in seeing a live demo of mediagoblin <-> pump.io federation # 18:33 cwebber2 tantek: I think we've added enoguh homework items, so I think we're done # 18:35 Zakim As of this point the attendees have been aaronpk, dmitriz, annbass, rhiaro, Rob_Sanderson, sandro, tsyesika, cwebber2, ben_thatmustbeme, dromasca, eprodrom, KevinMarks, Arnaud # 18:35 Zakim As of this point the attendees have been aaronpk, dmitriz, annbass, rhiaro, Rob_Sanderson, sandro, tsyesika, cwebber2, ben_thatmustbeme, dromasca, eprodrom, KevinMarks, Arnaud # 18:35 Zakim leaving. As of this point the attendees have been aaronpk, dmitriz, annbass, rhiaro, Rob_Sanderson, sandro, tsyesika, cwebber2, ben_thatmustbeme, dromasca, eprodrom, KevinMarks, # 18:41 cwebber2 that's why I've been participating via text mostly the last few calls # 18:42 sandro cwebber2, I think the clicking people were talking about was actually from my phone being weird # 18:44 aaronpk it sounded more like electrical noise than room sounds # 18:44 sandro yeah, I was trying a different phone -- I assumed only I could hear it, until folks mentioned it annbass joined the channel
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# 19:25 ben_thatmustbeme i thought the same of the noise (it was my end) until someone mentioned it and i noticed on webex it was actually a feedback from another phone dmitriz, jaywink, peacekeeper and bblfish joined the channel
# 20:27 aaronpk is busy fighting with the respec validators trying to publish new drafts # 20:31 aaronpk last error is the validator complaining that it can't find the logo even though it's there # 20:31 aaronpk and for some reason it's recommending using an http:// URL for the logo even though this is going to end up on an https website... # 20:33 aaronpk it checks for a protocol relative URL for one of the script tags it needs, but not for the image # 20:38 sandro looking around for someone who might know how this is supposed to work; no luck yet. jtilles joined the channel
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# 20:48 tantek I wonder if this means that these two specs are the first across W3C to use the new look etc.? # 20:49 tantek a-ha, not the first attempt, but the first Success! # 20:52 aaronpk eagerly awaits a publish token for Webmention from sandro # 20:53 sandro oh, I thought I made one for you long ago, before FPWD. Checks. # 20:54 aaronpk "I want us to be the first using the new pub process the second it is available." # 20:55 aaronpk ohh that is from 2014. well that's not right. they linked to an old email as the decision to publish their draft today # 20:56 aaronpk every publish request is supposed to cite the decision from the group to publish # 20:56 aaronpk yeah, like "has this decision URL been used before" # 20:56 tantek like the decision should not be older than a month? # 20:56 aaronpk hard to tell the date since the URL could point to anything, but checking whether it's been used before is easy # 20:57 tantek maybe sandro could file that as an enhancement request # 20:58 sandro A token already exists for that specification: 10746...[redacted] # 20:59 sandro There was a newline embedded in the cut/paste text # 20:59 aaronpk oh my bad. you generated that token a loooong time ago, before I could use it to publish FPWD # 21:00 sandro now, do we have any chance of keeping that out of search results? # 21:00 sandro seems not really worth trying to get it changed. # 21:01 sandro okay, yes, please change a character in the logs :-) # 21:07 sandro The lower-left control doesn't really work right for me. peacekeeper and jasnell joined the channel
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aaronpk PROPOSED: publish new working draft of Micropub based on current editor's draft at http://micropub.net/draft/
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