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# 17:03 shevski sandro: you here? annbass_ joined the channel
# 17:06 shevski reading now, seem fine :) # 17:08 annbass_ ActivityStreams .. both jasnell and evanp sent regrets (the editors) # 17:08 shevski sandro have you joined the call? # 17:08 annbass_ arnaud talked w jasnell yesterday, to understand status of issues # 17:08 annbass_ several are just questions or editorial, not blocking issues # 17:10 annbass_ for those, Evan just needs to update draft according to those 3 issues # 17:11 annbass_ #289 ... group resolved at F2F, jasnell had a previous objection, but wasn't at meeting .. he now says he'll back off # 17:12 shevski woops, will leave it to you bengo :) dmitriz joined the channel
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# 17:17 annbass cwebber: "audience" seems confusing .. in that, the AS vocabulary may overlap and be slightly diff # 17:18 annbass bengo: I had similar reaction, but worried it might be late in game to raise it # 17:18 annbass ann: if it's not clear to several people; might be worth resolving # 17:19 annbass bengo: probly not worth resolving .. none of our engineers have been confused or have balked # 17:19 shevski they weren't confused by 'scope' ? # 17:20 annbass arnaud: we should check with dmitriz, since he raised the issue # 17:20 dmitriz I'd definitely prefer to see it renamed to audience # 17:21 dmitriz but clarifying and cross-linking is always good. # 17:21 annbass cwebber2: context: earlier we removed all "un___" words (eg undo, unfollow, ...) # 17:22 annbass ... then tyesika and I realized some complexity .. # 17:22 annbass ... if you had a "create" then you'd have to wrap the "undo" around the "create" # 17:23 annbass ... problem is that you might have to dig too far back into history to find the "create" # 17:23 annbass ... actually .. it's not "create", bcuz undoing a create is a "delete" # 17:25 annbass ... challenge is to figure out how we do things in ActivityPub # 17:26 cwebber2 the challenge is you have to dig up the original activity to wrap it with undo # 17:26 annbass arnaud: jasnell wants a concrete proposal on this # 17:27 annbass ... sounds like cwebber has a proposal .. could you add that to github? # 17:27 annbass cwebber: yes, but how to handle? should we close this one and add a new one? or ... ?? # 17:28 annbass bengo: sounds like an undo on an activity that I can't find .. I'd be ok to receive a 404 or message that it can't be processed for some reason # 17:30 annbass ... cwebber, can you describe this? you were in the discussion # 17:31 annbass ... jasnell told me, he doesn't think there is a problem on this # 17:31 annbass ... AS vocabulary already supports everything needed.. if it's something else, he'd want a concrete proposal # 17:32 annbass cwebber: I'm still confused; did he clarify how he thinks everything is already supported? # 17:32 annbass bengo: I'm not really up-to-date, but I tend to agree with Jasnell's last point (in github discussion) # 17:33 annbass <lost cwebber's question .. and bengo's answer .. discussing a detailed example of a tombstone> # 17:34 annbass <if this needs to be captured, someone else should help> # 17:35 annbass cwebber: when I fetch an object, how do I get <time it was done>? # 17:35 annbass bengo: to me, if something is deleted, why does it still show up # 17:36 annbass cwebber: I'm not asking that; I want to know when the thing was deleted # 17:36 annbass ... I don't think this should hold things up, but not clear # 17:36 annbass bengo: duality between metadata in JSON vs metadata in HTTP # 17:37 KevinMarks replicating a tombstone over a post is safer than relying on it to be deleted # 17:38 annbass <discussion about doing with 410 or via extension or ... > # 17:39 annbass arnaud: he does 2 things: deletes object, but also adds "updated, with time stamp" # 17:39 annbass cwebber: if you're pulling things from a collection of activities, that makes sense # 17:40 annbass ... I didn't understand how the timestamp works for foreign object (?) # 17:40 annbass arnaud: conclusion: cwebber accepts jasnell's proposal # 17:41 annbass ... moving on.. hoping for test suite update, but Evan not here # 17:42 annbass ... aaronpk -- a couple issues with WebMention, for which you want feedback # 17:42 annbass aaronpk: we talked about them last week, but just didn't have time to resolve and mark 'closed' # 17:43 shevski thank you Arnaud & annbass :) # 17:43 Zakim As of this point the attendees have been annbass, aaronpk, Arnaud, cwebber, Karli, wilkie, shevski, bengo, rhiaro, sandro # 17:53 cwebber2 it includes both a request to verify that one of these paths is okay and a proposal to include such an example in the document. bengo and bblfish joined the channel
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# 18:50 annbass !tell manuel Greetings! (sorry, it looks like I just missed you.. darn) Your work sounds very interesting. Perhaps you'd like to join the Social Web Community Group? I'm just migrating the Social Web Interest Group to a W3C Community Group structure, so that anyone can join, without having to be a W3C member. # 18:50 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next # 18:52 Zakim leaving. As of this point the attendees have been annbass, aaronpk, Arnaud, cwebber, Karli, wilkie, shevski, bengo, rhiaro, sandro bblfish, manuel, tantek and wilkie joined the channel
Loqi Sandro made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2016-06-07]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=98032&oldid=97734
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KevinMarks replicating a tombstone over a post is safer than relying on it to be deleted
annbass !tell manuel Greetings! (sorry, it looks like I just missed you.. darn) Your work sounds very interesting. Perhaps you'd like to join the Social Web Community Group? I'm just migrating the Social Web Interest Group to a W3C Community Group structure, so that anyone can join, without having to be a W3C member.
ben_thatmustbeme Zakim, bye