#social 2016-08-09

2016-08-09 UTC
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@cmal_PP
@togakangaroo Well there's a new draft for JSON representation of microformats2 : https://www.w3.org/TR/jf2/ so that's a progress :)
(twitter.com/_/status/763026283999756289)
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cwebber2
rhiaro: we're calling into the same standard webex line right?
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rhiaro
Oh man
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rhiaro
I have to set up the meeting I guess
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rhiaro
Give me 5
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melvster
oh call is canceled?
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rhiaro
trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot
is preparing a teleconference.
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trackbot
RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent
I have made the request, trackbot
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trackbot
Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim
ok, trackbot
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trackbot
Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot
Date: 09 August 2016
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sandro
will be a few minutes late, sorry
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rhiaro
melvster: just an informal chat about SWP stuff
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rhiaro
not an official meeting
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rhiaro
scribenick: sandro
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annbass
present+
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rhiaro
present+
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cwebber2
present+
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csarven
present+
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annbass
scribenick: annbass
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annbass
cwebber read LDN stuff .. has questions
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annbass
if translating between Activity Pub and LDN, then all seems fine
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sandro
present+
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annbass
with JSON-LD and Activity Streams .. should be pretty easy
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sandro
thinks pub + sub == streams
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annbass
1. what do we think re: inbox .. could we share that between the two of them?
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annbass
even though they don't apply to LDN?
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annbass
rhiaro: we have small stumbling block with W3C namespace policy .. working on
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annbass
... 1. we could get this added to LDP .. you could alias your inbox to ours
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annbass
... 90% sure that should be OK
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annbass
... 2. OR .. (early to think about) .. IF W3C namespace policy gets updated to allow <something> .. then maybe Activity Pub terms could be added to AS2 namespace
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annbass
cwebber: yes, that'd simplify a lot of things for us
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annbass
rhiaro: Sandro -- how likely is this to happen?
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KevinMarks
Present+
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annbass
... we don't need a hardcore resolution quite yet .. maybe by end of Sept
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annbass
sandro: not sure I can say anything now
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annbass
waves at KevinM
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annbass
... assuming someone could amend the policy .. then, does anyone have any issues with using the AS2 namespace
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annbass
rhiaro: in any case we could use alias for LDP
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annbass
... therefore they will converge
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annbass
cwebber: I forgot to mention .. the way the inbox is discovered is diff
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annbass
... I'd be fine in my implementation to support both ways ...
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annbass
(maybe cwebber can document the 2 ways)
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annbass
rhiaro: actually, LDN says there are 2 ways to discover inbox .. if 1st way fails, then you have to do the 2nd way
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annbass
cwebber: I thought it did specify order
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annbass
rhiaro: yes, we changed that in updated version
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csarven
"These may be carried out in either order, but if the first fails to result in an Inbox the second MUST be tried."
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annbass
cwebber: oh, ok
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annbass
rhiaro: I guess we need to make that clearer
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annbass
csarven: is there an issue where the receiver announces a header, but it's only found in body? (not sure I got that correctly)
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annbass
rhiaro: <explains yes, and how it workds>
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annbass
cwebber: makes sense
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annbass
... you specify a 201 be returned to confirm, we should add that to AP
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annbass
rhiaro: yes, although what's in the notification, is a black box
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annbass
... LDN lets you send just whatever is relevant to what you're doing
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annbass
... I've written, but not typed up, how I see this working
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annbass
... what I'm trying to do, is make it easy enough that AP could use the LDN stuff to do XYZ
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annbass
cwebber: that is, strip down ASub and use LDN for those processes?
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annbass
rhiaro: yes
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annbass
cwebber: hmm, I need to talk with tsyesika and evan .. to make sure there aren't unexpected glitches
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annbass
rhiaro: of course
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annbass
cwebber: let's sketch this out next week, when you come visit ... interesting idea; I hadn't thought about it
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annbass
... let's sketch it out together, and then take it to evan and tsyesika to see if it's feasible
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annbass
rhiaro: this is part of the idea re: modularization
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annbass
... AP doesn't have to do <XYZ>..
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annbass
cwebber: a potential sticky issue, but probly not a blocker...
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annbass
... modularizing these functions, might fracture <something>
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annbass
... want to keep it "clean"
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annbass
rhiaro: yes, I agree
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annbass
... part of what Social Web Protocols will do is sketch out how the whole system will look
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annbass
... and one can pick and chooset the pieces
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annbass
cwebber: cool; I certainly think it's interesting. Not totally sold, but I'm close
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annbass
rhiaro: great; it'll probably help if I write up my other notes
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annbass
cwebber: that's it for me; for what I'd written down... anything else to discuss
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annbass
sandro: profiles?
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sandro
didn't say anything
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annbass
<sorry>
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sandro
s/sandro: profiles?//
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sandro
no worries
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annbass
cwebber: do you get the whole container all at once, or do you get a stream?
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annbass
rhiaro: trying to find the balance on how to specify that ... I think we have an issue on that
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annbass
<someone>: does AP address that?
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annbass
cwebber: uses AS2 version of things, but I guess that's an omission in our spec
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annbass
rhiaro: LDN annotations protocol, uses AS paging
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annbass
.. in order to plug into annotations directly
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csarven
s/LDN annotations/Web annotations/
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annbass
thanks
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annbass
waves at Karlie
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annbass
rhiaro: all the points of alignment are listed in Issue 36
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melvster
"You asked for a large thing, this is the first page of it. See Proposal [1]"
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annbass
... be sure to add or discuss
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annbass
... I think we've covered the main stuff
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annbass
... next week I'm taking a small trip to visit cwebber, where we can hack on stuff and see if it actually works
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annbass
csarven: are we OK with the MIME type?
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annbass
<discussion about options>
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annbass
cwebber: need to talk with E and T, but doesn't seem like a big deal
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annbass
s/with E and T/with evan and tsyesika/
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annbass
cwebber: how about if we both file an issue on that, but make the point that we both agreed on this call!
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annbass
rhiaro: great! anythign else?
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annbass
... let's get to work then
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annbass
cwebber: great call! see you next week, Amy
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annbass
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim
As of this point the attendees have been annbass, rhiaro, cwebber, csarven, sandro, KevinMarks
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trackbot
is ending a teleconference.
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trackbot
Zakim, list attendees
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trackbot
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent
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trackbot
RRSAgent, bye
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RRSAgent
I see no action items
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rhiaro
annbass++
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Loqi
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Zakim
excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
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Loqi
good riddance
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cwebber2
csarven: rhiaro: and btw, nice job on LDN
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cwebber2
I think the document looks really good
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cwebber2
glad you two are working on it.
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csarven
annbass Thank you
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csarven
cwebber2 Heya. Really glad to hear that you think so. It is coming along alright :) Some 'minor' issues to resolve on github and AP alignment. Then ? Then we profit
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cwebber2
whew! glad to finally see some profit out of all this spec-work ;)
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cwebber2
obviously we're all doing it for the profit :)
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