#social 2016-09-07

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cwebber2 aaronpk: https://github.com/w3c-social/activitypub/issues/87
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cwebber2 WDYT? It seems cleanest to give direction by both referencing the document whose purpose is to give direction.
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tantek cwebber2: this whole area is so under-explored that it's a serious problem to consider *any* solution
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cwebber2 tantek: huh?
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tantek cwebber2: no one has ever actually *built* any of this support ever in any JSON user-string handling, and tested it with a test suite
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tantek we are literally incubating / prototyping new work for i18n
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tantek which is highly irregular (should be done pre-WD, not at CR)
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cwebber2 tantek: I think we're talking about totally different issues
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aaronpk huh? this isn't about i18n
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tantek oh I saw "direction"
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aaronpk ha
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cwebber2 tantek: haha
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Loqi hahaha
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cwebber2 laugh it up loqi
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tantek oh is this "technical" direction? not language direction?
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tantek argh
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cwebber2 tantek: it's about directing people to the socialwg docs :)
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cwebber2 or, through
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aaronpk short version: should activitypub and micropub point people to the social web protocols doc rather than point at each other?
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tantek (the i18n stuff is still a thorn in my side, and will be, since it's a W3C-wide issue, and a problem that is TAG-level technically, and AB-level in terms of process. :( )
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tantek (specifically i18n demands on JSON-based specs)
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cwebber2 aaronpk: I personally think it makes most sense. that's the goal of SWP anyway, right?
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cwebber2 I'm not against linking to MP at all!
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tantek I disagree because it's dilutionary and confusing
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tantek that is, to *only* link to SWP
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tantek I think it's much more "upfront" and transparent to have MP and AP link directly to each other non-normatively
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cwebber2 I'm okay with doing that
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cwebber2 I thought it would just reduce the amount of linking
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cwebber2 but if so anyway, MP should also link to SWP
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tantek would really prefer developers actually get exposed to all the concepts
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tantek because I think that's how we'll get better feedback for the space of *pub
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tantek whereas SWP is a bit too much to try to take all into your head
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tantek if all you're trying to do is implement a simple API to put/update/delete stuff on a server etc.
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aaronpk yeah it seems like hiding the other if we both just link to SWP
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cwebber2 I think SWP helps reduce the amount to take into your head maybe :)
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cwebber2 aaronpk: I can link to MP
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tantek cwebber2: I agree that would be a nice *goal* for SWP
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cwebber2 but could you also link to SWP?
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tantek but it's not there yet
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tantek (I mean it's making progress, obv it's a very tough task with pursuing multiple approaches, and external specs and such, but that's the reality of the tech situ)
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tantek cwebber2, yes, we decided a while ago that our docs in general should non-normatively link to SWP to provide an overview and more context
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aaronpk i do think it makes sense to link to SWP here https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#social-web-working-group
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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tantek but for MP and AP in particular, I'd prefer if they both linked to each other - but that's just my opinion (not a chair directive).
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aaronpk I agree
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tantek as this is editorial, I defer to you two
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tantek just offering an opinion to consider
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tantek aaronpk, yes that's a good place
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tantek and since you pointed to that para
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tantek what do you think of
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cwebber2 ok
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cwebber2 aaronpk: how's this:
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tantek s/Interested implementers should check out and review the other approach/Interested implementers should review ActivityPub and consider providing feedback on both.
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cwebber2 https://dpaste.de/K0Ne
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tantek I prefer setting it up as complementary approaches
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tantek rather than "othering"
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tantek cwebber2: nice.
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tantek s/complimentary/complementary
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tantek :)
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tantek also no need to duplicate alternative
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tantek that is
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tantek s/as an alternative approach//
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cwebber2 tantek: my spell checker says both are acceptable spelling :)
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tantek cwebber2 not spelling but meaning
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tantek compliment is: hey cwebber2, you're looking nice today!
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tantek complement is: yin yang
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tantek 2's complement
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tantek etc.
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cwebber2 tantek: oh right
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cwebber2 tantek: I took it from LDP's text, so rhiaro ^^^
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cwebber2 aaronpk: https://dpaste.de/28Xz
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tantek cwebber2 I compliment you on your encouraging of proper use of complement ;)
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cwebber2 probably makes sense for us to have roughly the same text
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cwebber2 how's that?
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tantek 👍
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cwebber2 aaronpk: if you want to make adjustments, let me know, I'd prefer for us to have mostly-matching text
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cwebber2 complementary, you might say ;)
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tantek more analogous but yes :)
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cwebber2 https://identi.ca/cwebber/image/GzS2oISVSsWm3u5UvCYHFg har har
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cwebber2 I'm already making progress on my emacs ActivityPub client
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cwebber2 probably only usable by .01% of the intarwebs, but at least it's fun for me
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aaronpk fun++
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