#social 2016-09-21

2016-09-21 UTC
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Loqi Bigbluehat made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2016-09-22]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=99966&oldid=99892
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Loqi Tantekelik made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2016-09-22]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100009&oldid=100005
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annbass What's the channel for minutes?
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annbass Never mind ... Wrong room
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tantek AnnBass -> #tpac and #tpac-chat
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annbass Thx
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@t #TPAC2016 11:00 Room 5A: Decentralized & Social Web @SocialWebWG demos of IndieWeb SOLID federated redecentralization! (ttk.me t4jR4) (twitter.com/_/status/778523881854283776)
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trackbot Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot Date: 21 September 2016
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trackbot Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot Date: 21 September 2016
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tantek present+
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tantek Tantek Çelik, Mozilla, Social Web WG co-chair
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olivier present+ OlivierThereaux
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rhiaro Amy Guy, W3C/MIT/University of Edinburgh
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sandro Sandro Hawke, W3C/MIT (one of the Staff Contacts)
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astearns Alan Stearns, Adobe Systems
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lbolstad present+ lbolstad
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nandana Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, UPM / ODI-Madrid
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KjetilK Kjetil Kjernsmo, University of Oslo
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dka Dan Appelquist; TAG co-chair; Samsung Browser Team; long-standing interested in getting the social web decentralized. Burgeoning interest in interplanetary web.
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lbolstad Lars Erik Bolstad, Opera
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Roy Roy McElmurry, Eng, Facebook
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newton Newton Calegari, NIC.br
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tantek Micropub: https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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tantek Webmention: https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Webmention
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@csarven Will demo: https://www.w3.org/TR/ldn/ , https://solid.mit.edu/ , https://www.w3.org/annotation/ in https://dokie.li/ #TPAC2016 @SocialWebWG (twitter.com/_/status/778538630180663297)
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jungkees Present+ Jungkee_Song
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csarven present+
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tantek Activity Streams 2.0: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
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Loqi [James M Snell] Activity Streams 2.0
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tantek and Activity Vocabulary: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/
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Loqi [James M Snell] Activity Vocabulary
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tantek ActivityPub: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
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Loqi [Christopher Allan Webber] ActivityPub
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csarven I'm http://csarven.ca/#i .. will demo Linked Data Notifications , Web Annotations, Solid + dokieli etc..
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sandro torgo: Does this all use Activity Streams2
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sandro cwebber2: Some of it does, but some bits use other formats, and AS2 is extensible
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Zakim Present: tantek, aaronpk, OlivierThereaux, rhiaro, sandro, astearns, AnnBassetti, dka, bob, bailey, nandana, lbolstad, Ali_Alabbas, Roy, newton, Jungkee_Song, csarven
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Zakim On IRC I see AnnBass, KevinMarks2, jungbin, newton, harry, Kangchan, dan, jungkees, plinss, dlissfeld, aliams, Roy, lbolstad, KjetilK, jay, paulcj, nandana, dka, astearns,
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Zakim ... AnnBassetti, Zakim, RRSAgent, bob, mmiya, tantek, olivier, cwebber2, strugee, jet, ben_thatmust, aaronpk, Loqi, bigbluehat, ElijahLynn, dwhly, bitbear, pdurbin, rrika, wilkie,
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harry q+ hhalpin
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Loqi harry: elf-pavlik left you a message on 2015-08-25 at 10:15am UTC: we need host code to diall out from WebEx, could you please share it with sandro and chairs? thx! http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-08-25/line/1440522820835
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Loqi harry: elf-pavlik left you a message on 2015-10-06 at 3:07am UTC: will you stay in Paris one of next days, I plan to stay around here for couple more days and we could meet up :) also http://www.xwiki.org team would like to discuss possibilities for interop
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aaronpk q+ to demo
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harry So basically why would I choose one method over another?
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rhiaro https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols
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harry And are any choices more tightly bound to other technologies?
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Loqi [Amy Guy] Social Web Protocols
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harry So essentially we have 3 sets of specs that do the same thing?
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annbass Sandro: this group is moving forward with multiple specs
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rhiaro harry: no, there are overlaps, they're not all 1-1
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harry And are specs are at CR?
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tantek harry: Activity Streams, Micropub, ActivityPub are at CR
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tantek q?
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annbass AnnBass: recognizing that "social" interactions represent human interactions, which are varied and diverse
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harry So can you can explain why you would chose one over another?
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sandro yes, SWP does that
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tantek harry yes that's in the document: https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols
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Loqi [Amy Guy] Social Web Protocols
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tantek q?
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harry In that document, it seems the main difference between the spec stacks if do you use 'microformats, JSON, or RDF'?
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annbass Amy Guy (rhiaro): I wrote the Social Web Protocols document to explain the relationship between these specs
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harry That's not a human interaction issue, that's a protocol standard issue.
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tantek harry - as rhiaro just said - they aren't separate stacks per se, but rather some work in combination, some overlap
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harry But one would you chose one combination over another?
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harry I don't believe my question was answered.
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tantek harry - yes the social web protocols document helps answer that
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harry I've read that document and from my guess
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harry it seems that there's no difference in the use-cases
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harry The only difference seems to be a data format issue.
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harry Or is there a use-case that one group of specs answers that another doesn't?
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tantek q?
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sandro Last I checked there's also an issue about whether the site needs to do more than serve static content.
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Zakim aaronpk, you wanted to demo
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annbass Dan Applequist: how does this group anticipate dealing with current problem of abuses in social media
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sandro q?
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bigbluehat Present+ Benjamin_Young
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annbass cwebber2: we are concerned; have talked about it; have a "block" activity built into Activity Streams, also used by Activity Pum
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tantek q+ to demo RSVP post and Post Type Discovery https://www.w3.org/TR/post-type-discovery/
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Post Type Discovery
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annbass s/Pum/Pub/
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sandro q?
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annbass cwebber2: but that isn't enough; we need to do more research and effort on that topic. I hope we can continue on that work after this charter ends
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annbass aaronpk: for example, Twitter has a lot of probs with this; I hope our efforts for decentralized tools will be more effective
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sandro q?
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KevinMarks2 One partial answer is distributed verification
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aaronpk Here's the JSON link of all the mentions of the webmention spec https://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
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sandro q?
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KevinMarks2 Using rel-me links to bind sites together to represent a person
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KevinMarks2 Vouch is a draft model to extend that to use following or previous mentions
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cwebber2 present~
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olivier Olivier: what would you say to "hypothetical big organisations" which may not get or feel threatened by decentralised approaches - to get them interested?
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tantek Post Type Discovery: https://www.w3.org/TR/post-type-discovery/
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Post Type Discovery
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cwebber2 I've been asked to put my answer to that previous question on irc
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dka Too late for asking this but also interested in: these days a lot fo people are migrating to closed networks (a-la-slack) for group communications in part (I think) as a reaction to online “noise”/abuse on platforms like twitter and facebook, and seeking greater privacy. Can the federated approach also model these types of closed-group networks?
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fabien_gandon Present+ Fabien Gandon, interested in bridging Social Web and Semantic Web, http://fabien.info
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sandro wonders if lunch is in the same place as yesterday
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cwebber2 so: I think large organizations have benefitted from email, the web, and other large technologies, and I think that not having the web continue to be a decentralized system is in veryone's benefit, large and small
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fabien_gandon Sarven : are you using Web Annotation ?
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csarven fabien_gandon: Yes
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csarven Web Annotations (for most of the WA motivations), ActivityStreams in LDN
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timbl_ My answer to Olivia -- it is possible that some silos will gravitate to trying to just dominate the client side, or the server side, of the new world, realizing that they can't be the whole world.
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rhiaro s/Olivia/olivier
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Zakim As of this point the attendees have been tantek, aaronpk, OlivierThereaux, rhiaro, sandro, astearns, AnnBassetti, dka, bob, bailey, nandana, lbolstad, Ali_Alabbas, Roy, newton,
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Zakim ... Semantic, http://fabien.info
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Zakim ... Jungkee_Song, csarven, Benjamin_Young, cwebber, KjetilK, martin, raphael, vagner, plinss, Jungbin_Kim(Letsee), dezell, Fabien, Gandon, interested, bridging, Social, Web,
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Loqi yeah who invited you anyway Zakim
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timbl Could the logs on indiwebcamp.org be available by https: so I can iframe them?
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aaronpk They should be
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aaronpk Oh for the #social channel! They are not. I will fix
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cwebber2 :)
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aaronpk timbl: fixed!
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aaronpk thanks, letsencrypt!
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cwebber2 :)
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cwebber2 \o/
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timbl aaronpk, thank you!
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timbl that was quick
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