#social 2016-10-04

2016-10-04 UTC
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cwebber2
hi everyone
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cwebber2
This document was published by the Social Web Working Group as an Editor's Draft. If you wish to make comments regarding this document, please send them to public-socialweb@w3.org (subscribe, archives). All comments are welcome.
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cwebber2
in the AP spec
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cwebber2
but not everyone can comment on there right?
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cwebber2
so it should be public-socialweb-comments, right?
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rhiaro
trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot
is preparing a teleconference.
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trackbot
RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent
I have made the request, trackbot
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trackbot
Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim
ok, trackbot
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trackbot
Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot
Date: 04 October 2016
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aaronpk
good morning
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rhiaro
present+
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rhiaro
hola aaronpk
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bengo
present+ on irc but not call (spotty wifi)
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sandro
present+
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aaronpk
present+
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julien
hey. do we have the call today?
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cwebber2
hi, dialing in
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julien
what's the dial in info?
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tantek
good morning #social!
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aaronpk
i'll PM you julien
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tantek
present+
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annbass
present+
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tantek
Zakim, who is here?
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Zakim
Present: rhiaro, on, irc, but, not, call, (spotty, wifi), sandro, aaronpk, tantek, annbass
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Zakim
On IRC I see julien, Zakim, RRSAgent, annbass, bengo, eprodrom, tantek, shepazu, timbl, AdamB, strugee, cwebber2, wilkie, ben_thatmustbeme, hadleybeeman, jet, aaronpk, Loqi,
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Zakim
... bigbluehat, ElijahLynn, dwhly, bitbear, rrika, csarven, rhiaro, raucao, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot
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aaronpk
oh good, I see we have "spotty wifi" on the call
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tantek
bengo present+ takes one parameter - your name as you want it displayed
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tantek
present- on
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tantek
Zakim, who is here?
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Zakim
Present: rhiaro, irc, but, not, call, (spotty, wifi), sandro, aaronpk, tantek, annbass
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Zakim
On IRC I see julien, Zakim, RRSAgent, annbass, bengo, eprodrom, tantek, shepazu, timbl, AdamB, strugee, cwebber2, wilkie, ben_thatmustbeme, hadleybeeman, jet, aaronpk, Loqi,
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Zakim
... bigbluehat, ElijahLynn, dwhly, bitbear, rrika, csarven, rhiaro, raucao, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot
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bengo
k
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tantek
present- irc
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tantek
present- but
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hadleybeeman
wishes you a good call!
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tantek
present- not
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tantek
present- call
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ben_thatmustbeme
preset- call (spotty wifi)
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tantek
present- (spotty
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cwebber2
present+
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tantek
present- wifi)
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tantek
zakim, who is here?
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Zakim
Present: rhiaro, sandro, aaronpk, tantek, annbass, ben_thatmustbeme, cwebber
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Zakim
On IRC I see julien, Zakim, RRSAgent, annbass, bengo, eprodrom, tantek, shepazu, timbl, AdamB, strugee, cwebber2, wilkie, ben_thatmustbeme, jet, aaronpk, Loqi, bigbluehat,
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Zakim
... ElijahLynn, dwhly, bitbear, rrika, csarven, rhiaro, raucao, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot
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aaronpk
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 306 karma (47 in this channel)
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eprodrom
hi all
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annbass
yo eprodom
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sandro
eprodrom, you on phone?
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cwebber2
I should have put AP on the agenda
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cwebber2
anyone mind if I toss it on now?
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tantek
cwebber2: still time to do so - add to end of discussion items
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csarven
present+
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annbass
hi julien
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julien
present+
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eprodrom
I am now
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AdamB
present+
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eprodrom
present+
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ben_thatmustbeme
do we have a scribe?
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eprodrom
PROPOSAL approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-09-13-minutes as minutes for 9/13/2016 meeting
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rhiaro
I normally go through and clean the f2f minutes up but I haven't had chance to do that yet
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ben_thatmustbeme
has poor audio at the moment
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rhiaro
scribenick: rhiaro
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tantek
rhiaro - shall we postpone f2f minute approval to next week then?
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wilkie
present+
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rhiaro
tantek, they're probably fine, it's just the dump from the logs
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tantek
reviews
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eprodrom
+1
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cwebber2
+1 with endorsement for rhiaro to do any cleanup she feels like if she wants to still
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rhiaro
eprodrom: please review Sep 13 minutes
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rhiaro
<rhiaro> +1
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eprodrom
RESOLVED approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-09-13-minutes as minutes for 9/13/2016 meeting
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tantek
goes to fix a typo
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rhiaro
eprodrom: For the f2f minutes it sounds like based on irc discussion that they haven't been cleaned up yet and tantek suggested that we postpone til next week
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rhiaro
... any objections to that?
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rhiaro
... Okay, postponed to next week
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eprodrom
TOPIC November face-to-face details
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rhiaro
TOPIC: Next f2f
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rhiaro
... Planning on doing our last f2f in November
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rhiaro
... Sandro?
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rhiaro
sandro: at the last f2f we worked through dates and possibilities and came to Nov 17 and 18 in Boston or SF
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rhiaro
... I mentioned that on email and people expressed preferences to Boston
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rhiaro
... tantek and I talked this over, so unless someone has a last mintue problem with boston vs SF, that's what we'll do
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rhiaro
... Anyone?
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rhiaro
... eprodrom, you're the one haven't heard from
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aaronpk
evan is almost impossible to hear
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rhiaro
eprodrom: isn't that thanksgiving?
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rhiaro
tantek: week before
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rhiaro
aaronpk: thanksgiving is the 24th
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rhiaro
eprodrom: then no problems, let's do it
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rhiaro
tantek: get +1s?
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annbass
can hear eprodrom
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aaronpk
evan is just super muffled, everyone else is much clearer
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annbass
+1 .. altho not sure I'll make it
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eprodrom
PROPOSED f2f meeting on 17 and 18 Nov 2016 in Boston
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sandro
+1 I'll be there (hosting)
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eprodrom
+1 will attend
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ben_thatmustbeme
+1 will be there in person
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cwebber2
+1 (and I intend to attend)
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rhiaro
sandro: on your +1s say whether you expect to attend
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aaronpk
+1 will attend
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tantek
+1 will attend
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akuckartz
present+
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wilkie
+1 will attend
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rhiaro
<rhiaro> +1 will attend pending funding
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rhiaro
yay glad you can come wilkie
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cwebber2
just got booted from call
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cwebber2
re-calling
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aaronpk
woo flight prices just went down today too
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eprodrom
RESOLVED f2f meeting on 17 and 18 Nov 2016 in Boston
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tantek
aaronpk oh great! buy your flights people!
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rhiaro
can now plan the rest of her winter
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wilkie
rhiaro: boston is easy!
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rhiaro
eprodrom: any other discussion we need to have about this?
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annbass
thanks tantek
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rhiaro
tantek: I can create the boilerplate wikipage and sandro can update as host
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rhiaro
sandro: It'll be in the room called Kiva at MIT
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ben_thatmustbeme
When reading the minutes, i'm assuming its okay to have a 4th F2F in a year?
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sandro
Meeting will be in G449 (Patil/Kiva room)
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cwebber2
it would be nicer if the group had an extension and we could meet in early 2017 ;)
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rhiaro
tantek: the charter says we should have 3 per year, so if anyone wants to object they can
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rhiaro
... but we haven't had any objections so far
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rhiaro
... but if anyone does feel strongly we should not meet, please speak up, it's your right per the charter
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ben_thatmustbeme
was having audio problems, cleared up now, thanks tantek
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eprodrom
TOPIC Micropub update
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rhiaro
aaronpk: just a quick update. I did the security and privacy review for it and that's not incorporated into the latest ED
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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rhiaro
... Would love some feedback on that
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rhiaro
... One thing from that is it seems to be written assuuming the thing being reivewed is written as part of the browser, so some of the questions were challenging in that context
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rhiaro
... The other micropub update is that I've been making progress on the test suite
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rhiaro
... micropub.rocks is up and running now
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tantek
q+ re: security reviews browser vs what we spec
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
... It has tests for creating posts in form encoded and json, and also updating
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rhiaro
... just working through tests based on the issues
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek's keyboard: clickity clackity clickity clackity
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rhiaro
... So if you do have a micropub implementation please feel free to take a look at that
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rhiaro
... The other thing point out is that it stores the test results itself so creating the implementation report summary will be easier becasue allt he data will be in that website already
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rhiaro
eprodrom: that's excellent, what a good idea
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rhiaro
... how do you format it?
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rhiaro
... is it a copy and paste kind ofthing?
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rhiaro
aaronpk: It's just stored, each test has a nubmer so I can store whether it passed or failed each test
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rhiaro
... So I'll be able to generate that in whatever format we need
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rhiaro
eprodrom: any more on micropub?
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
ack tantek
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Zakim
tantek, you wanted to discuss security reviews browser vs what we spec
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
tantek: the thing about the security and privacy questionnaire mostly sounding like it's been written from a browser perspective is accurate
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rhiaro
... that was the driving force behind writing it up
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rhiaro
... getting editors aware of security and privacy implications implementing w3c specs in the browser
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rhiaro
... but we shoould be interpreting those questions liberally
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rhiaro
... and think about the intent, what are they getting at in terms of vulnerabilities
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rhiaro
... so even if it seems like it's browser specific, broaden the scope of that in your mind and consider what is the equivalent from the server perspective as well
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rhiaro
... concerns about cookies, or implementations being stored on the browser, eg. for private browsing mode
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rhiaro
... the equivalent for a server would be the server maintaning user data or stats or cookies or logs which are actually important to call out
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rhiaro
... in some juristictions there are rules about that
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rhiaro
... eg. europe, the ability to be forgotten by the server
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rhiaro
... anything that sounds browser specific, think about what it measn for the server to have to do the equivalent
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rhiaro
... I'll take a look at those answers and in places where some feedback will help with the privacy and security questionnaire I'll also push some of thsoe changes to the questions upstream and update the questionnaire itself
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rhiaro
... It'll help to have examples in our specs where we're doing that
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rhiaro
can anyone else hear the constant giggling from the MIT end of this call?
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aaronpk
rhiaro yes lots
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rhiaro
there's someone outside our conference room having way too much fun
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annbass
not hearing giggling
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eprodrom
TOPIC Webmention update
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eprodrom
I hear it too
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Webmention
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rhiaro
aaronpk: Did the security and privacy questionnaire for webmention as well
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AdamB
i hear it a little, not too much
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rhiaro
... would love feedback on results
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rhiaro
... the other thing with webmention is I took all of the implementation reports that are submitted and complied into a spreadsheet
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rhiaro
... there are 8 senders and 7 receivers recorded
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rhiaro
... what I did is marked for each test whether the person had reported it passing
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rhiaro
... and column B is the percent of implementatons that passed each test
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rhiaro
... With senders they're all essentially 75% and higher implemented.
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rhiaro
... With receivers, everything except 2 features have more than one implementation, marked in yellow
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sandro
+1 Bravo aaronpk Very Nice
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eprodrom
Thumbs up
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rhiaro
... they're the only two that are red flags for those features
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rhiaro
... very happy to see there are already 2+ implementations of everything in the sepc
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
eprodrom: impressive
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rhiaro
... private webmention?
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rhiaro
aaronpk: after the f2f we had an indiewebcamp in brighton
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rhiaro
... a few of us brainstormed extension to webmention that would allow it to work for URLs that require access control
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rhiaro
... My hackday project was to write it up as a sepc
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rhiaro
s/sepc/spec
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rhiaro
... this is written as an extension
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rhiaro
... a couple of extra things before the webmentino processing, then it hands off to regular webmention processing
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rhiaro
... excited about this, and we already have implementations started
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rhiaro
... three combinations of sending and receiving right now
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rhiaro
... happy to be able to say that there will be an answer to how webmention works with private content
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rhiaro
... once it has more implementations we'll add it to the list of extensions on the spec
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rhiaro
eprodrom: So I've made a post, you've sent me a webmention and I'll show the response... is the intention that the response would not be shown on my site?
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rhiaro
aaronpk: that's typically how webmentions are used, but similar to how the webmention spec doesn't actually say you have to show a comment, it leaves that out, and the goal of this spec is getting the verification to work
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rhiaro
... a separate issue is what people do with that
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rhiaro
... my intent is not to specify how or when peopel should show comments
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rhiaro
... that will depend on why the post is private and what audience it's for
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rhiaro
... I expect now that implementations would not show them as comments except maye for the owner of the site
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rhiaro
... but I want to leave that open for more intelligent display of received comments
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rhiaro
... the whole goal o fthis spec was to get the verification to work with authenticated content
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rhiaro
eprodrom: specifying the intention early might be good to avoid mistakes
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rhiaro
... if I were to send you a webmention form my site and my intention is that it would have the same access control as I have on my site
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rhiaro
... if I haven't made it public to the whole world, you wouldn't make it public to the whole world either. If you did do that it would be contrary to my intention
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rhiaro
... What scenario would there be where I have it private on my site but you can make it public on yours?
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rhiaro
aaronpk: I would expect it to have the same access control as the source
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rhiaro
... I don't want to get into ACL stuff with this, but I would epxect that anyone in the group who could see the original could see the comment on the other site as well
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rhiaro
eprodrom: it seems like being more conservative in this case might be better, but it's obviously up to you how people use it
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rhiaro
... but sounds very interesting
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
... Anything else?
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cwebber2
refresh!
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eprodrom
TOPIC: ActivityPub update
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rhiaro
cwebber2: There have been a number of changes to AP and when we spoke at the f2f we talked about publishing a new WD
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rhiaro
... There's a new ED with a changelog of all the changes
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rhiaro
... Probably the biggest change is adding the soure field stuff as discussed at the f2f, and adding that and the binary data mechanism as at risk
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rhiaro
... Other than that mostly editorial
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rhiaro
... but I would like to propose releasing a new WD
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tantek
link to change log?
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rhiaro
PROPOSAL: Publish new WD of ActivityPub
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme FYI this is my keyboard you are hearing http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/
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eprodrom
+1
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rhiaro
<rhiaro> +1
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tantek
reads change log
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rhiaro
sandro: the plan is still to vote on CR a week from now?
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rhiaro
cwebber2: yes that's the plan
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bengo
+1
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rhiaro
tantek: the changes look really good
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rhiaro
... my outstanding question regarding voting for CR next week is I did see a bunch of the i18n folks filing issues, do you expect to have responses to those by next week?
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tantek
+1 publish new WD!
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rhiaro
cwebber2: I've already closed 1, and the other 2 I know what's happening, so I'm pretty confident
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: Publish new WD of ActivityPub
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annbass
cwebber and I put in a pitch for our hotdog keyboards: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage2-silver/ (for those prone to tendonitis)
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rhiaro
cwebber2: Bringing AP to CR and the steps I'm taking towards that
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rhiaro
... I am working to make sure that everythign is in the right state for ??
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annbass
sound breaking up
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rhiaro
... security and privacy section was added, planning on adding to the CR wiki page
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rhiaro
... I'm not sure if this should be on the document itself, the testing plan
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rhiaro
... I do have a general sense of what that's gonna be
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rhiaro
... I have also sent the requests for horizontal review, and we've already got responses from i18 and a11y (off list)
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rhiaro
... I'm not sure when it will be on list
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rhiaro
... they're fine with it
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rhiaro
... that's good news
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rhiaro
... I've sent out stuff for wide review and I've been starting to get feedback, and going to make a mediagoblin blog post to day and asking our donors for additional review
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rhiaro
... we've already got a good amount, not all on the wiki page yet
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rhiaro
... will be working on that today, and collapsing tha tpage into the CR page on the wiki
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rhiaro
... I have been getting feedback, the majority was people concerned about the cryptographic integrity of the document
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rhiaro
... so this might be partly because of the people who are paying most attention to AP are in the federated social web space and are concerned about decentralisation from that kind of perspective
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rhiaro
... there were a couple of peopel from diaspora who had weighed in before, that were about how diaspora has done sigantures and asking that we do the same
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rhiaro
... I don't think signatures are going to make it in, but I've left text on how that might be done
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rhiaro
... Cleared it up so the method of verification is left open
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rhiaro
... That was surprising so far, but they seem very interested in that
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rhiaro
... And some other feedback I'll be getting to over the week
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tantek
q+ to ask if signatures could be done as an extension? and does this relate to private webmentions at all? should it?
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
... I'm pretty confident about us being able to hit CR next week
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
eprodrom: good news. Anything more?
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cwebber2
eprodrom, tantek is on the queue
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eprodrom
ack tantek
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Zakim
tantek, you wanted to ask if signatures could be done as an extension? and does this relate to private webmentions at all? should it?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
tantek: I tried to follow some of those conversatiosn about signatures, I think you're doing the right hting Chris, but is that something we could write up or add later as an extension?
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rhiaro
... That if servers decided to adopt that extension they'd have some way of discovering that they are talking to someone who supports signatures?
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rhiaro
... And potentially satisfy the commenter concerns in that way?
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rhiaro
... Part 2 of this question is from hearing aaron's discussion about private webmention, is there / shoulld there be relation?
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rhiaro
... or is that only high level?
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rhiaro
... you two can figure that out
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rhiaro
cwebber2: Yes I think it can be done as an extension
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rhiaro
... I'm interested in continuing that conversation
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rhiaro
... Especially after the group winds down
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rhiaro
... We've all elft this space open in our specs
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rhiaro
... to leave verification somewhat ambiguous with some proposed methods for doing so
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rhiaro
... the most basic being checking the source content. But having left it open we can define that as an extension and make sure it's compatible going into the future
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rhiaro
... So yes I'm interested in collaborating with aaron and anyone who is interested
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rhiaro
... and whether or not it applies to the private messaging stuff
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annbass
q+ to say something about next steps (when this topic is done)
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Zakim
sees annbass on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
... it definitely applies there, and as a means of verification, another place where it was brought up is that some of you might remmeber that amy and I put a mechanism for forwarding messages into the AP spec so you wouldn't have the problem that pumpio currently has
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rhiaro
... where if you send a message to someone' sfollowers and someone replies and people up the chain don't see it
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eprodrom
I got kicked off the call
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eprodrom
One moment
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rhiaro
... so weh ave a forwarding mechanism but without a clear way of identifying that a message really came from that person
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rhiaro
... the disapora people emphasised that
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rhiaro
... it's an interesting point, they really rely on that
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rhiaro
... there are multiple reasons to want that, but we don't need to solve that in the time of this group, we can work on it going forward
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rhiaro
tantek: we are talking about the winding down of the wg, but after the f2f we did agree to start a CG and this is a perfect candidate to be discussed
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rhiaro
... and worked on in the context of that CG
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rhiaro
... that's the right thing to do
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rhiaro
... we figured out a bunch of things, and we're taking them to CR, and anything else is a bit more experimental and that's the perfect use of a CG is to take this ideas and start to incubate them there
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rhiaro
... without a particular timeline or deadline
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rhiaro
... which is nice
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rhiaro
... and if at some point in the future we have enough critical mass tow rite up normatively we can go through another wg process
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rhiaro
... but I don't want to get ahead of myself
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rhiaro
... Just for folks who weren't at the f2f, we did decide to create a CG
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rhiaro
... and transition any new work into that CG
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rhiaro
... we agreed not to start any new drafts at the f2f
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rhiaro
... so we do have a continuity story, just not in this WG
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eprodrom
TOPIC Activity Streams
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rhiaro
eprodrom: i had a task to take on some of the outstanding bugs on the validator
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rhiaro
... I'll be doing that this week
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Zakim
sees annbass, cwebber on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
... And that takes us to the end. Anything else?
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eprodrom
ack annbass
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Zakim
annbass, you wanted to say something about next steps (when this topic is done)
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Zakim
sees cwebber on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
annbass: We agreed at the f2f to start a CG to continue the follow on
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julien
Maybe PubSubHubbub? (not that I have nything special to say though...)
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rhiaro
... I've been chatting with akuckartz who is cochair of the federated socweb CG (with evan) and andreas questions if we should close that or repurpose that
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cwebber2
notably I also surprisingly bumped into https://www.w3.org/community/activitypub/ today :)
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tantek
cwebber2 hah
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rhiaro
... we can continue to conversation on the followon by email
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cwebber2
didn't realize that activitypub was activitypub before it was activitypump?????!!!!
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rhiaro
... andreas says there are people in that CG who are interested and might want to re-engage
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Zakim
sees cwebber on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
cwebber2, i brought that up when we first changed the name, no one responded
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
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Zakim
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cwebber2
my response was not to this
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cwebber2
so do tantek first
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eprodrom
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Zakim
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Zakim
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rhiaro
built recommendations for
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rhiaro
tantek: I think as far as we discussed at thef2f, part of the intent of creating the social web incuabor group was to... we discussed closing down a number of CGs and we'd include their work as part of the new gropu... for example the PuSH CG ... so we can declare that CG succeeded in incubating... part of the point was to provide a continuity of like here is a group that's been active (the WG) and the future of that is to incubate thingse beyond what we've
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rhiaro
... and I feel like we've built 'brand recognition' with the good work the WG has done
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rhiaro
... and to keep that and indicate that there's continuity here
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Zakim
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rhiaro
... so unless andreas has any objectsion, I think that's a good reason to start the new CG and also it'll be a good announcement that we're starting a new group with the following scope
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Zakim
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rhiaro
... what we've done before, plus the other CGs
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rhiaro
... I think it woulld be better to bring those under one umbrella, make a new brand we can announce and get people excited again, rather tahn attempting reuse of an existing one
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rhiaro
... I hope that clarifies some intent
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rhiaro
eprodrom: that makes sense
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
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eprodrom
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Zakim
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rhiaro
akuckartz: I think we should discuss this by mail
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rhiaro
... I think the fact that there are more than 120 members of the fedsocweb CG
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rhiaro
... Almost all of them were becoming members over a long period of time because they're itnerested in decentralised social web, and I think this should be a factor in deciding the future of how to build a new CG
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tantek
note: everyone in all past CGs should absolutely be invited to join the new SWICG
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rhiaro
... It's completely inactive at the moment
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tantek
to be clear on inclusivity intent
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rhiaro
... The social IG should take this task, which was closed down
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rhiaro
... To rebuild a CG it will be eaiser than in the past because of the WG, but it still is a lot of effort
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rhiaro
... to create a group
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rhiaro
... Many of the people who are conerned about the social web, I don't think .. if the active members from the WG join then the CG will become active again
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... Regarding the name, I don't care very much about that, federated or not, but the aim is to have a decentralised social web and that should be reflected, even if it's just social
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... I think everybody knows the CG will not have the target of creating silos
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eprodrom
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Zakim
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rhiaro
annbass: seems like we're talking about similar things and we want to capture the members of this group, and the closing IG, and the existing CGS
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... we all share an interest in the existing standards, I agree with tantek's point that we want to capitalise on the identity we've built through this group
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Zakim
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rhiaro
... Just how to move forward is the quesiton
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annbass
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
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rhiaro
cwebber2: new topic... I should have put this on the agenda
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rhiaro
... There was something that was discussed at the f2f is whether AP coudl bei n the AS2 namespace or in its own namespace
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rhiaro
... It significantly simplifies things for AP if it's in the AS2 namespac
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rhiaro
... then if someone uses the AS2 mime type it will match up
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rhiaro
... I forget whether there was a resolution, but neither AS2 editors were present
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rhiaro
... it looks like inbox has moved forward with being included in the LDP namespace
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rhiaro
... it would be great to knwo if we could work on getting the AP terms into the AS2 namespace
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rhiaro
... Especially because it seems like there is precedent to do that rightnow
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rhiaro
... this is a quesiton for evan
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... I should probably point out taht I do have an issue about this that lists the terms
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eprodrom: the ideas is that the activitypub terms that... great... let's get james on this
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rhiaro
... and we'll figure out which if any of these are going to go into AS2
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rhiaro
<rhiaro> just to note that this isn't about putting them in the AS2 *spec* just the namespace
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cwebber2: it's critical that we figure this out before CR
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rhiaro
sandro: i thought james chimed in on the issue and said it was okay
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rhiaro
cwebber2: I think you're right
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rhiaro
... That matches what I remember
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rhiaro
... At that point, evan would you available to help move forward with that?
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... We just need the promise that it will happen
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... We can just switch the context over
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rhiaro
eprodrom: you want me to add 13 new properties to AS2? And we have to identify where they fit
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Zakim
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rhiaro
cwebber2: they don't have to go into the AS2 spec, just the ns
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eprodrom: so we'd have things in the ns document that aren't in the spec?
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rhiaro
sandro: the idea is that extensions to AS2 would share the namespace
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rhiaro
... and so AP would be the first of those extensions but there could be others
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... so people using AS2 with a bunch of extensions don't need a bunch of different namespaces
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Zakim
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rhiaro
eprodrom: sounds good. No big objection, just making sure we're on-plan
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rhiaro
... So what you're asking is to have these items added to the json-ld context?
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rhiaro
cwebber2: that's correct
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rhiaro
rhiaro: I'll do that
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rhiaro: we also need a human friendly version of the AS2 namespace, we'll work on that as well
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
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eprodrom
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annbass
thanks a lot rhiaro and eprodrom!
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rhiaro
eprodrom: if that's everything, we can close
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wilkie
thanks
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rhiaro
... thanks everyone
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Zakim
... eprodrom, wilkie, akuckartz
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cwebber2
thanks everyone, esp rhiaro and eprodrom !
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julien
Thanks Evan!
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tantek
rhiaro++ for minuting!
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Loqi
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wilkie
rhiaro++
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Loqi
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bengo
waves from Namche Bazaar, Nepal
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tantek
Since I saw a few typos in the minutes we approved, I went ahead and made typo-ish fixes, feel free to review: https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Socialwg%2F2016-09-13-minutes&diff=100300&oldid=99767
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tantek
All: next week's telcon page is up, please add your discussion items here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-10-11#Discussion_Items
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tantek
All: wiki page for our next (likely last!) f2f is up! Please add yourselves as participants here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-17#Participants (if you were at TPAC / F2F7, you may find your info still there commented out)
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Loqi
Social Web WG Face to Face Meeting at MIT (F2F8)
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tantek
sandro - in particular check/edit the venue and pre-meeting logistics portions https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-17#Premeeting_Logistics sections
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Loqi
Social Web WG Face to Face Meeting at MIT (F2F8)
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csarven
will participate remotely - no funding to attend (for LDN)
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tantek
csarven, instead of you projecting, we'll have to project you!
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tantek
that reminds me, I never got around to publishing the WD update to PTD. guess I should do that today!
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Zakim
excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
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Loqi
good riddance
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cwebber2
new WD of ActivityPub published
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cwebber2
now working on post-TPAC blogpost on the mediagoblin blog
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