#social 2017-08-27

2017-08-27 UTC
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cwebber2 ajordan: yes, I'll add it to the agenda
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cwebber2 both agendas I guess
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ajordan cwebber2: while you're at it could you add Tag?
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cwebber2 yes
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ajordan thank you!!
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cwebber2 :)
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cwebber2 Also kicking this off as the first proposed property https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams_extensions#sensitive_property
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ajordan cwebber2: nice
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ajordan I thought we had argued ad nauseum about this being a boolean though?
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cwebber2 ajordan: Mastodon needs it for historical reasons
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cwebber2 so either they're going to put it into their own namespace or we'll have it as an AS2 extension
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cwebber2 one way or another Mastodon is going to use it; personally I think it would be healthier for the AP community to have it as an AS2 extension even if we try to encourage using another mechanism
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cwebber2 it's a key property used by our biggest implementor; that seems like a good case for an extension to me
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cwebber2 at any rate
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cwebber2 a good chance to test out the extension process ;)
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ajordan lol true
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ajordan I mean as you said we can always spec out a better version later
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ajordan cwebber2: seems like `sensitive` should be a pretty small document too?
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cwebber2 ajordan: pretty damn small, yes
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ajordan lol
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cwebber2 Gargron: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams_extensions#Proposed_extensions pls review text on these two
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Loqi Cwebber2 made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-08-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104098&oldid=104088
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xmpp-social [ajordan] cwebber2: added the sensitive tag specifically as a separate agenda item, since it seems like for that in particular we'd want to discuss whether we need a temporary context, etc.
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Or more generally how we handle extensions in the wild that haven't yet been standardized
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xmpp-social [ajordan] But feel free to fold into the previous item
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Loqi Strugee made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-08-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104099&oldid=104098
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Put a little shoutout to the WG in the AS2 tests: https://github.com/pump-io/pump.io/commit/a624590d96e23659edeedda6c53d47de41852434
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xmpp-social [ajordan] :)
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cwebber2 ajordan: fine by me re: separate item
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cwebber2 ajordan: yay for as2 in pump.io!
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Gargron cwebber2: sounds fine to me!
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xmpp-social [ajordan] cwebber2: ikr!
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xmpp-social [ajordan] More context for people who don't follow me: https://pump.strugee.net/alex/note/qJKnguGQRW-tAZqD3gRsYQ
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Loqi [AJ Jordan] ActivityStreams 2 in pump.io
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xmpp-social [ajordan] cwebber2: also great re: agenda, nice to know you agree :-)
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cwebber2 Gargron: rhiaro: puckipedia: https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/254
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Loqi [cwebber] #254 Should "endpoints" be dropped?
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cwebber2 ajordan too
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cwebber2 btw as an aside, one regret I sorta have is not knowing more about linked data conventions that you don't pluralize property names. Oh well, *that* I think is too late to change.
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cwebber2 post by Gargron about the upcoming release, lots of it about AP adoption https://www.patreon.com/posts/14076545
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Loqi Cwebber2 made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-08-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104101&oldid=104099
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puckipedia cwebber2:so imo, I think it might be good to move sharedInbox outside of the endpoints, but I kinda like the idea of endpoints for client->server
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cwebber2 puckipedia: that's a good suggestion. Could you add that to the issue?
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cwebber2 though
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cwebber2 I guess the purpose of endpoints was for "shared endpoints on some domain/server"
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cwebber2 though I think you're making the argument that endpoints instead *only* apply to C2S?
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puckipedia yes
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puckipedia "A json object which maps additional endpoints which may be useful either for this actor or someone referencing this actor. "
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puckipedia so. random idea.
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puckipedia "endpoints": [{type: OAuthAuthentication, authorizationUrl: [...], tokenEndpoint: [...]}, {type: MenuItem, name: "Log out", url: [...]}, {type: MenuItem, name: "Settings", url: [...]}, {type: ProxyUrl, url: [...]}]
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cwebber2 Gargron: https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/242#issuecomment-325230101
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Loqi [cwebber] `sharedInbox` is now added to the editor's draft. Additionally, the "IFF implementation support" is already in place, since Mastodon has added sharedInbox, as described in this document, to their implementation, and is ready to roll it out in their ...
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puckipedia cwebber2: https://github.com/puckipedia/Kroeg/blob/master/Kroeg.Server/Controllers/AuthController.cs#L189-L192 :P
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puckipedia (no reading yet though)
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cwebber2 puckipedia: oh nice :)
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puckipedia pretty sure Mastodon can't handle it if there is no sharedInbox
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puckipedia also I like the wording of "followers and/or public"
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puckipedia (the shared inbox is somehow added into "at risk features"?)
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puckipedia also haha accept/reject are in there too
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Loqi puckipedia: lol
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puckipedia s/haha/woo/
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cwebber2 yay :)
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cwebber2 haha I'm glad to see the implementors of AP are beating me to the spec edits of these changes
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cwebber2 (actually glad, since we already discussed what was happening)
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puckipedia yep :P
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cwebber2 now the only big one left to look at is mediaUpload
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cwebber2 but I don't really have the energy to do that tonight
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cwebber2 maybe tomorrow
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puckipedia yeah, it's 0102 here now
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cwebber2 late!
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cwebber2 puckipedia: get some rest :)
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puckipedia also I still have a throat inflammation :<
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puckipedia (also, I just remembered the idea I had for revisions in a tuple db)
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puckipedia add a revision number to each tuple, and when looking through them somehow return only the ones with the highest revision number
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cwebber2 puckipedia: see also the issue on the AP tracker discussing a revision number extension
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cwebber2 but maybe not see it now
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cwebber2 since you should sleep
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cwebber2 or, don't sleep
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cwebber2 I'm not the boss of you!
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puckipedia good night :P
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cwebber2 gnite :)
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Loqi night