#social 2017-10-10

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Loqi Tantekelik made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-10-10]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104629&oldid=104575
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@lasseebert TIL: PubSubHubbub is now WebSub and is a W3C-thing. Still in proposal, so changes might be made. https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/ (twitter.com/_/status/917730548419842048)
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Loqi Aaronpk made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-10-10]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104633&oldid=104629
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eprodrom I'm a little surprised that someone got this domain in 2015
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eprodrom https://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=activity.pub
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eprodrom I just got places.pub and tags.pub
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eprodrom I figure they'll make good namespaces for Place and Tag objects
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sandro huh!
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cwebber eprodrom: ha! cool
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sandro I might need to start a support group for domain-name addicts. I'm too ashamed of some of the names I've excitedly bought to share them in public. :-)
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cwebber I don't remember if ActivityPub was called ActivityPub then
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eprodrom ha
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cwebber it may have still been ActivityPump
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eprodrom cwebber: it wasn't until 2016
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cwebber right ok!
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eprodrom I think they just were getting <english word>.pub
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eprodrom They lucked out!
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cwebber :)
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cwebber dials in...
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eprodrom Oh I should do that
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sandro looks at https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-10-10
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aaronpk too bad we don't have another f2f coming up, we could have organized a https://domainswap.xyz party
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Loqi Domain Swap!
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ajordan hey all!
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ajordan dials in
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Loqi Strugee made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-10-10]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104637&oldid=104633
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ajordan the eternal question: is the call borked or is it just that no one's saying anything
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ajordan :P
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sandro me hearing weird-ish silence
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eprodrom trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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trackbot RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent I have made the request, trackbot
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trackbot Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot Date: 10 October 2017
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rhiaro present+
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aaronpk present+
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cwebber can scribe
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cwebber scribenick: cwebber
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ajordan present+
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eprodrom chairnick: eprodrom
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sandro present+
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eprodrom https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-09-19-minutes <-- review now
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ajordan wonders where ben_thatmustbeme has been
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eprodrom Zakim, who's here?
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Zakim Present: rhiaro, aaronpk, ajordan, sandro
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Zakim On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, timbl, ajordan, JanKusanagi, bwn, xmpp-social, adam, csarven, rhiaro, er1ncandescent, bigbluehat, Gargron, sknebel_, dlehn, dlongley, Loqi,
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Zakim ... trackbot, puckipedia
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eprodrom present+
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cwebber +1
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cwebber present+
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cwebber wah
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ajordan poort cwebber
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cwebber that's accurate, I am a port
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eprodrom PROPOSED: approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-09-19-minutes as minutes for 19 Sep 2017 meeting
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cwebber +1
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rhiaro +1
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sandro +1
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eprodrom +1
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ajordan +1
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ajordan have people ever -1'd minutes?
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eprodrom RESOLVED: approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-09-19-minutes as minutes for 19 Sep 2017 meeting
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ajordan ahh
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cwebber eprodrom: next question is November telcon meeting
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cwebber ... we have a meeting on the 10th and 24th; Tantek has asked about future meetings which would be 11-1 I believe?
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cwebber sandro: No, October 31st
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cwebber eprodrom: and then 11-14 I guess?
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cwebber sandro: sorry it would be 10-24 and 11-7
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cwebber eprodrom: how about we do the 14th and the 28th of November
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cwebber sure, fine by me
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eprodrom PROPOSED: Telecons on 14 Nov 2017 and 28 Nov 2017 unless others are necessary
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ajordan +1
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cwebber +1
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sandro +1
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rhiaro +1
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aaronpk +1 works for me
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ajordan apparently we really are in a mood to say yes
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eprodrom RESOLVED: Telecons on 14 Nov 2017 and 28 Nov 2017 unless others are necessary
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cwebber eprodrom: we'll still have one more meeting before TPAC but while we're still doing admin stuff I wonder if people who are...
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eprodrom TOPIC: plans for TPAC
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cwebber eprodrom: oh I think we discussed that people who are at TPAC will do a BOF?
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rhiaro cwebber: you emailed about space for cg right?
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cwebber cwebber: yes BOFs, and yes I emailed about CG but haven't heard definitively
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cwebber sandro: CGs are happening, follow up
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cwebber cwebber: ok
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tantek present+
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Loqi tantek: ajordan left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: ugh, IWC NYC looks so fun! probably too late to get train tickets, etc., however I *did* announce it to the folks in the programming institute I was in over my gap year (Recurse Center, https://www.recurse.com/) so hopefully you get some alumni and in-batch folks who show up!
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ajordan lol forgot about that
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tantek I will be at TPAC
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cwebber eprodrom: I assume among the three of you one of you will work out a BoF
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cwebber cwebber2: yes
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cwebber cwebber: yes
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cwebber tantek: I can probably do one, the BOF rules may change this year... I'll explain more later
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cwebber eprodrom: I will ask cwebber, are cg members able to join
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cwebber tantek: CG would be cutting edge discussions, whereas BoF would be a bit more like what we had in Portugal: more demos of more specs taken to REC, etc... trying to gather interest for the CG
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cwebber eprodrom: excellent, so there seem to be reasons to plan both
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cwebber tantek: yes, and I'd like someone else to do the BoF
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cwebber cwebber: I can probably organzie the BoF
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eprodrom TOPIC: Mozfest
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cwebber eprodrom: I want to talk about another event at the end of the month
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rhiaro ohhhh I'm back and forth on going to Mozfest
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cwebber eprodrom: I'm facilitating a discussion about the AP network and where things are. dunno if anyone else is going to be there but wanted to get that out there
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rhiaro maybe I wll then
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cwebber eprodrom: tantek fyi we're doing nov 14th and 28th, is that ok?
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cwebber tantek: no objections
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eprodrom TOPIC: ActivityPub
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cwebber eprodrom: if there's any other admin issues, otherwise we'll move on to AP
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cwebber need a new scribe
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tantek zakim, who is here?
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ajordan scribenick: ajordan
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eprodrom Can we get a temp scribe?
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ajordan sure
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ajordan eprodrom: so cwebber where are we with uhhhh ActivityPub?
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ajordan cwebber: main thing is the test suite and gathering implementation reports
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ajordan ... last week we decided I'd do the more prompty thing
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ajordan ... but also I was at Rebooting Web of Trust and had some client works
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ajordan ... but I have some time in the next couple weeks and the prompty thing should be pretty straightforward
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ajordan ... if I have time to refactor it and pretend to be a server great, but I think the priority is getting something that works
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ajordan ... questions? or I'll move on
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ajordan sandro: I don't want to do the math about exact deadlines again but can we say it'll definitely be done by the meeting in two weeks?
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ajordan ... and if at say the halfway point if you think you won't get there you ask for help?
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ajordan cwebber: yeah I'm hoping to get it done by the end of the week
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ajordan ... will check in with the group on IRC next Tuesday when we don't meet
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ajordan sandro: not sure everyone's on IRC but... I probably will be so it'll be okay
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ajordan cwebber: yeah feel free to ping me
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cwebber https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/239
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Loqi [puckipedia] #239 mediaUpload: only post to outbox if it's a Create activity?
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ajordan cwebber: spec's pretty good but there are two issues we need to resolve
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ajordan cwebber speak slower please
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ajordan ... I hate to say it but I think we should drop it, it's at risk
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ajordan ... just given our timeframe
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ajordan ... obviously this needs to happen for my sake for MediaGoblin so it won't be dropped on the floor entirely
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ajordan ... this is just AP proper
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ajordan cwebber np
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tantek s/drop it/drop mediaUpload endpoint
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ajordan cwebber: does anyone have opinions? should I make this a proposal?
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ajordan eprodrom: if we took out the uploads endpoint would we be able to upload things using literal data ??? or something?
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ajordan cwebber: what you could still do (and I have done this) is you could point... tantek are you typing?
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tantek sorry. I was going to ask about existing implementations of mediaUpload
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ajordan ... what you can do and I've done this on my own server when you slot in the URL for C2S video, you can put *any* URL in there
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ajordan ... you can use an external host as a separate step
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ajordan tantek: my biggest question is, where are we with impls of it? client and server?
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ajordan ... just in your estimation, nevermind tested
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ajordan cwebber: I've got an impl, puckipedia has an impl, but we both discussed wanting to change it
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ajordan tantek: in a non backwards-compatible way?
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ajordan cwebber: yes
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ajordan tantek: this is exactly what CR is for, try to implement it, see if there are problems
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ajordan ... based on your experience it seems like the spec needs to change and we're running out of time
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ajordan cwebber: that's exactly why we marked this at risk too
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ajordan ... it's the least tested part of the spec and if it's not in there the protocol still works just fine
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ajordan tantek: that's a wise way to make sure the spec is in shape
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ajordan cwebber: obviously I'm not proposing this since it's the most exciting for me
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ajordan ... but I feel confident we can do it in an extension
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ajordan tantek: and certainly better than prematurely specifying something that's wrong
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ajordan cwebber: yep
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ajordan ... should I type up a proposal?
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ajordan tantek: I'll leave the floor open if anyone else wants to provide opinions
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ajordan *silence*
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ajordan ... if no one else has opinions go ahead
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ajordan eprodrom: yeah why don't you write it up cwebber
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cwebber PROPOSED: Resolve https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/239 by removing mediaUpload and specified behavior from ActivityPub spec proper, move to extension via SocialCG process
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Loqi [puckipedia] #239 mediaUpload: only post to outbox if it's a Create activity?
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cwebber +1
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ajordan <ajordan> +1
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eprodrom +0
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aaronpk +0
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ajordan RIP (temporarily) mediaUpload :(
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cwebber yeah I know
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eprodrom actually -0
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cwebber but better than getting the wrong one in!
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ajordan exactly
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sandro +0
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ajordan cwebber: eprodrom I'm guessing your -0 is "it sucks to not have this in the spec"?
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ajordan eprodrom: yeah
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ajordan cwebber: I feel the same way even though I +1'd
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aaronpk same
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tantek +1 it's the right thing to do to make the spec more solid, and avoid implementations coding the wrong thing
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eprodrom RESOLVED: Resolve https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/239 by removing mediaUpload and specified behavior from ActivityPub spec proper, move to extension via SocialCG process
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Loqi [puckipedia] #239 mediaUpload: only post to outbox if it's a Create activity?
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ajordan eprodrom: yeah I understand the reasons it just seems like an important thing we didn't manage to get in
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ajordan eprodrom: okay, looks like we're there
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ajordan cwebber: I'm gonna copy it to the issue and deal with the rest of it later
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ajordan ... okay so the next one is...
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ajordan eprodrom: cwebber could I ask that you start a new document with that content ASAP?
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ajordan cwebber: yeah I'll even put it as a topic for the SocialCG which meets tomorrow
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tantek notes /topic needs update for SocialCG tomorrow
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ajordan ... lemme put that on the issue too so I don't forget it
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ajordan ... okay
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ajordan ... alright great, ummm, as great as you can get
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cwebber https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/260
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Loqi [yvolk] #260 Relation between Actors and Users of servers is undefined
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ajordan cwebber: I'd like to talk about issue 260
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ajordan ... it's about actors and users and their relationship
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ajordan ... the author of it is the author of an important impl, AndStatus, so we do want this feedback
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ajordan ... there's a part of this I think is correct and we should address
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ajordan ... there's also a part of this that is conflating things
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ajordan ... the correct thing is that in the non-normative intro to the spec we say "here's a user" and that's incorrect because there's not necessarily a 1-1 mapping between actor/user
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ajordan ... actor could be a service, a user could have more than one actor
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ajordan ... there might not be a user for a given actor
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ajordan ... but the spec is also talking about there being... they raised oh well we don't have a way for a person to move between multiple servers
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cwebber https://github.com/swicg/general/issues/1
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Loqi [sandhawke] #1 Follower Migration
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ajordan ... we've talked about this and we have an issue for follower migration in the SocialCG
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rhiaro Thaaaat sounds like an implementation detail
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ajordan ... I think the SocialCG is the right place to discuss that, I don't think we should add that to AP
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ajordan ... the other thing is they suggest we should model in the relationship between users/actors
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ajordan ... I'm pretty -1 on that
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ajordan ... we don't need it in the spec and there's a reason there's a difference
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ajordan ... options:
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ajordan ... a) ???
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ajordan cwebber ^^^
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ajordan ... b) take it to the CG
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ajordan ... c) add(?) something to the spec but we don't have a lot of time and it'll be very complex
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eprodrom q+
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ajordan eprodrom: we have a queue
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eprodrom ack rhiaro
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cwebber cwebber: a) clarify that users and actors are not one to one relationship
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ajordan I think that's better
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ajordan rhiaro: the issue of follower migration is definitely an impl detail
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ajordan ... no amount of data modeling will make it easier or harder
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ajordan ... in summary I agree with everyting cwebber said basically
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ajordan ... we had this whole discussion in ActivityStreams on how to model this
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cwebber cwebber: c) don't add complex User and Actor modeling which will muddy up the spec
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ajordan ... I don't think the spec in any way constrains implementations in the way this guy is suggesting
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eprodrom ack eprodrom
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ajordan ... but maybe a sentence noting that there is *no* 1-1 mapping
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ajordan eprodrom: I see one possibility talking about data portability
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eprodrom data portability story = register your own domain
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ajordan ... probably the easiest one is register your own domain
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tantek eprodrom++ :)
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ajordan ... that is clearly the easiest way to get data portability
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rhiaro 'easiest'
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ajordan ... it also happens to be the wayt o get data portability in many other systems
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ajordan ... may be worth calling that out
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ajordan ... telling implementors to allow users to use their own domain
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eprodrom 1 user -> 1 person
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ajordan ... the other thing is yes, it's not necessarily the case where one user would be one person but that's often the case
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eprodrom 1 user -> 1 organisation
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eprodrom multiple user -> 1 organisation
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eprodrom 1 user -> multiple personae
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tantek wow user human org projects rabbithole
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ajordan ... I think those are the most common formats
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tantek has created all of those on twitter ?
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ajordan ... it gets pretty crazy in there but it may be worthwile saying "these are some comon ones, the spec doesn't define what other possibilities there are"
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eprodrom ack aaronpk
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ajordan aaronpk: just wanted to say that there's so many reasons tying to real people is a terrible idea
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ajordan ... I'm all for doing whatever it takes to keep an AP user as an AP user without any idea of what that means in a real-world space
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ajordan ... I like eprodrom'd idea to just get a domain and use it as an id
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cwebber q?
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ajordan ... that simplifies the identity aspect without muddying it with real people's identities
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eprodrom q?
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ajordan cwebber: we have an empty queue, should I follow it up with a proposal?
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ajordan eprodrom: SURE
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ajordan cwebber: mkay, gonna type one up
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ajordan ^^^ tonally accurate minuting
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ajordan :P
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cwebber PROPOSED: Resolve https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/260 by clarifying that there is no specific mapping of one user to one actor (and there can be many configurations) in the spec; leave follower migration to SocialCG, and do not add extra modeling of mapping real-world Users to Actors
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Loqi [yvolk] #260 Relation between Actors and Users of servers is undefined
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eprodrom +1
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cwebber +1
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ajordan +1
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aaronpk +1
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sandro +1
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ajordan <ajordan> and I guess whether to add a list of "common" mappings falls under editor's discretion
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cwebber yep
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eprodrom RESOLVED: Resolve https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/260 by clarifying that there is no specific mapping of one user to one actor (and there can be many configurations) in the spec; leave follower migration to SocialCG, and do not add extra modeling of mapping real-world Users to Actors
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Loqi [yvolk] #260 Relation between Actors and Users of servers is undefined
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tantek +1
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ajordan eprodrom: alright let's mark this as resolved
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ajordan ... that was your second issue cwebber, is there anything else on AP today?
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ajordan cwebber: nope we got through all of it
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ajordan eprodrom: great
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ajordan ... so we're at 40 minutes but we've got a 90 minute schedule today
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cwebber flops back
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ajordan ... let's move on and talk about WebSub
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cwebber scribenick: cwebber
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ajordan thx cwebber!
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cwebber TOPIC: WebSub
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eprodrom TOPIC: WebSub
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cwebber thx ajordan
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eprodrom ajordan++
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cwebber eprodrom: aaronpk where are we at with WebSub
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cwebber aaronpk: PR was published Tuesday, which is great news... "what's next" is my question
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cwebber sandro: I can take a look at the survey but I think the main thing is to remind people to vote
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sandro AC Reps should vote at https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/websub-cr/
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rhiaro we have older votes from CR right?
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cwebber do I scribe that about CR votes?
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cwebber guesses so
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cwebber tantek: if someone could reach out to Google implementors that would be good
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cwebber sandro: also Mozilla could vote... anyone else
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tantek nothing new on PTD, striking from agenda
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cwebber sandro: no issues, right aaronpk ?
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cwebber aaronpk: nothing new
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cwebber eprodrom: are we looking for implementations or looking for them?
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cwebber aaronpk: we hit the bar but more is always better
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eprodrom ben_thatmustbeme: ?
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cwebber eprodrom: I think tantek removed PTD from the discussion, so next is JF2 if ben is here?
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ajordan q+
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eprodrom Zakim, who's here?
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Zakim Present: rhiaro, aaronpk, ajordan, sandro, eprodrom, cwebber, tantek
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Zakim On IRC I see timbl, cdchapman, tantek, Zakim, RRSAgent, eprodrom, ajordan, JanKusanagi, bwn, xmpp-social, adam, csarven, rhiaro, er1ncandescent, bigbluehat, Gargron, sknebel_,
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ajordan eprodrom: I'm queued
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cwebber eprodrom: looks like ben_thatmustbeme is not here, so next item is Social Web Protocols
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rhiaro Nooothing new
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tantek SWP needs an update with WebSub PR :)
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eprodrom ack ajordan
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eprodrom q?
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rhiaro SWP needs many things.
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cwebber is this ajordan
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cwebber or ben
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cwebber ajordan: I can say I submitted a lot of issues to JF2 which has been going through implementing some of my patches
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cwebber TOPIC: JF2
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cwebber tantek: working draft out there is pretty old, if there are improvements we should turn the crank to publish another update
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cwebber ajordan: you have to ask ben_thatmustbeme but afaict it's consistent enough to publish a draft, but don't want to speak for ben
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cwebber tantek: this may be an instance where if folks want to take a look...
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ajordan https://dissolve.github.io/jf2/
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eprodrom q?
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cwebber ajordan: looking at the commit history, I don't think there's anything really substantial there; it's mostly just editorial stuff. the one thing is there's a bunch of normative references that were informative before. I guess that's a fix but it was probably obvious
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Loqi Tantekelik made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-10-10]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104644&oldid=104637
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cwebber tantek: that's worth it, last official publication was from ~ 2 months ago so that's worth updating
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cwebber tantek: ok AJ I leave it to you to review this document and see if it's good as a WD update
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cwebber tantek: I'd like to include your updates/patches/etc
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cwebber tantek: let's let folks take a look at it then we could have a proposal at the next telecon
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cwebber ajordan: I could also ping Ben
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eprodrom TOPIC: SWP
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rhiaro Nothing for SWP
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ajordan !tell ben_thatmustbeme hey, we discussed publishing a new JF2 WD on the telecon with the patches I submitted. AFAICT it's in a publishable state but didn't want to speak for you? what do you think?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rhiaro Needs updating in general..
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tantek I thought we resolved to update SWP whenever we had a document status change?
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rhiaro I don't remember from last meeting, and I scribed
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ajordan was it bridging?
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ajordan oops I should write up some text for that
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cwebber eprodrom: you had some briding ideas I believe AJ?
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cwebber ajordan: yes
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rhiaro there's already bridging stuff in SWP
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cwebber ajordan: this was from a while ago
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cwebber tantek: not only that but people have put those ideas into practice in the last few weeks. Ryan aka (snark?) of bridgy fame has put forward bridging between various indieweb protocols and activitypub
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ajordan tantek: link?
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cwebber tantek: he's using fed.bridgy to converse on Mastodon
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ajordan s/snark?/snarfed/
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tantek fed.brid.gy
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cwebber ajordan: that's phenomenal
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cwebber tantek: happy to see evidence of it working, pretty cool
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cwebber tantek: that may be worth adding the bridging section to SWP, but it is tying our work together
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cwebber ajordan: we could also reach out to mastodon to futher improve interop... I have to check but I think all they need to do is add a config option to add a link to a webmention (?) and that should in theory interop with all indieweb sites
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cwebber tantek: wow ok
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rhiaro Sure
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rhiaro issues, PRs
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rhiaro but please read the existing bridging stuff first :)
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cwebber tantek: should we file issues / PRs?
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cwebber ajordan: yes I filed an issue about it but then I never followed up
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cwebber tantek: that's definitely worth a big update
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cwebber eprodrom: anything else on SWP?
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cwebber q+
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Zakim sees cwebber on the speaker queue
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eprodrom ack cwebber
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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tantek nudges cwebber to update the /topic accordingly :)
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sandro +1 the meetings are fun when folks show up
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cwebber cwebber: SocialCG meeting tomorrow, please show up!
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cwebber eprodrom: with that I think we can close it up
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cwebber bye everyone
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tantek cwebber++ for scribing!
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eprodrom trackbot, end meeting
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trackbot is ending a teleconference.
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trackbot Zakim, list attendees
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Zakim As of this point the attendees have been rhiaro, aaronpk, ajordan, sandro, eprodrom, cwebber, tantek
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ajordan cwebber++
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trackbot RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/10-social-minutes.html trackbot
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trackbot RRSAgent, bye
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RRSAgent I see no action items
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ajordan eprodrom++
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rhiaro hey ajordan, comparison between bridging stuff already in SWP and what's been implemented recently woudl be great, if you have time
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ajordan rhiaro: yeah I hope to have more time this week to do WG stuff (SWP and also responding to some JF2 stuff) but still catching up
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ajordan has a bunch of midterm papers due last week :P
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ajordan s/has/had/
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ajordan rhiaro: where in SWP should I look for bridging stuff? I admittedly haven't made it all the way through the document yet but so far I've mostly seen it focus on interop rather than bridging
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ajordan cwebber: just btw I won't be able to make any of the SocialCG calls for the forseeable future as I have a class at that exact time :(
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cwebber ajordan: ah, sucks!
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ajordan I could make the first 5 minutes as I walk to my class lol
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ajordan yeah :(
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cwebber ajordan: well luckily it's forseen as only being blocked for this semester right? :)
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rhiaro how are you differentiating between interop and bridging in this context?
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ajordan cwebber: yep! assuming I don't have more scheduling problems in the spring :P
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ajordan rhiaro: possibly I'm just arguing semantics (sorry!)
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ajordan but when I say "interop" I mean it Just Works(tm)
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ajordan so like how LDP and AP line up neatly
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cwebber LDN you mean?
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ajordan yes
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cwebber k :)
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ajordan whereas by "bridging" I meant actively translating between two different protocols that normally have no overlap
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cwebber though LDN and AP use the same endpoint and vocabulary so that's more direct interop
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cwebber oh yes
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cwebber ok
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cwebber ok I agree :)
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ajordan yes that's the point I'm making ;)
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cwebber https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG/2017-10-10 topics for the SocialCG tomorrow:
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cwebber - mediaUpload
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cwebber - follower migration
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cwebber - anti-abuse tooling
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cwebber - extensions publishing
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cwebber I hope people show up because that's a great topic list! :)
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rhiaro eg. https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols/#wm-to-ldn
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rhiaro i thought i had the same for ap/mp but i guess i didn't push that yet oops
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ajordan cwebber: you're making me sad I'm missing 'em all :(
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ajordan :P
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ajordan rhiaro: ah gotcha, okay
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rhiaro I think mp and ap drifted so far apart, bridging became 'implement both' actually
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rhiaro I used to have a thing where I'd pass a mp request through a json-ld context to transform it into as2
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rhiaro should dig that back up
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rhiaro pretty minimal wrangling required
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ajordan mp meaning micropub?
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eprodrom cwebber: I forgot to ask if you'd talked to Bill Loobey from IBM
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eprodrom It might be useful to get an implementation report from him for AP
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cwebber eprodrom: I didn't!
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ajordan eprodrom hey if you have a couple minutes to stick around I've got some questions for you - otherwise no worries
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Loqi Cwebber2 made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-10-10-minutes]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104648&oldid=0
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eprodrom Even if it's "we implemented a bunch of stuff that doesn't really map to AP"
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cwebber did they implement AP?
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cwebber oh :)
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eprodrom ajordan: sure
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cwebber I don't know who Bill Loobey is
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eprodrom He's the IBM guy I intro'd to you by email a few weeks ago
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cwebber huh... I don't know I got that
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cwebber last intro I got from you was talking to Loris
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Loqi Tantekelik made 1 edit to [[Socialwg]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104649&oldid=104574
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tantek home page updated and next agenda page is up: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-10-24
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tantek notes no one noticed that SWICG telcon is on 11th, not 10th. 10th is today. 11th is tomorrow
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cwebber X_X
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cwebber tantek: thanks for fixing
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cwebber that's all my mistake, as usual ;)
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tantek except NO ONE noticed ?
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tantek and I only noticed because I updated the IRC topic and noticed the +14 discrepancy with SWWG telcon
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xmpp-social [ajordan] cwebber: just realized I got the CG times completely wrong lol
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xmpp-social [ajordan] I can make them
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xmpp-social [ajordan] I've just consistently forgotten :/
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cwebber ajordan: heh :)
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cwebber ajordan: well tomorrow is a fresh start away :)
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