#social 2017-12-06

2017-12-06 UTC
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sandro aaronpk, did you ever talk to the commenter who wanted us to mandate HTTPS, or was that left of me to do?
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aaronpk All my communication has been public on github so you'd know if I did
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aaronpk in other words I don't remember 😂
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ajordan alrighty
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ajordan sets an alarm to wake up 2 minutes before the CG call :P
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aaronpk scrambles to make coffee before 8
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ajordan oof
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ajordan blinks groggily and puts on headphones
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aaronpk hm usually cwebber is on the call before me
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ajordan aaronpk: you dialed in?
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ajordan (mumbled in?)
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aaronpk "dialed"
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ajordan cwebber2: ping
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ajordan guess I'll read the minutes from yesterday in the meantime
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ajordan ping usual suspects puckipedia nightpool cwebber2 sandro tsyesika ben_thatmustbeme saranix melody
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saranix pong
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sandro can't make it today
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melody i also can't make it today, super busy with my day job
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ajordan think https://w3c.social/@ajordan should do it
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ajordan for the record: aaronpk currently discussing using https://indieauth.net/spec/ as an authentication layer for ActivityPub C2S
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] IndieAuth
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ajordan aaronpk says given a profile like https://w3c.social/@ajordan all it'd need was to add a rel value to the headers and at the end you'd get a OAuth 2.0 bearer(?) token
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aaronpk given an activitypub actor's URL like https://w3c.social/@ajordan, that would just need to advertise two new rel values in the HTTP Link header to point to the authorization endpoint and token endpoint
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aaronpk after the indieauth flow is done the client ends up with an OAuth 2.0 Bearer token, which the client would be able to use at the activitypub server as normal
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aaronpk if users are more used to entering @ajordan@w3c.social when they log in to clients, the client would need to first use webfinger to turn that into a URL like https://w3c.social/@ajordan
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aaronpk seems doable
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ajordan I seem to recall a large discussion when Mastodon moved to AP surrounding Webfinger migration plans; perhaps that would be good to formalize into a note
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ajordan *Note
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aaronpk diagram bugs: here's what it's supposed to look like https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-12-06-08-22-01-8OiB5pc1Fo.jpg
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ajordan https://people.strugee.net/~alex/Screenshot%20from%202017-12-06%2011-21-52.png
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ajordan I see your version in Chrome
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aaronpk ah yeah looks like it's using a wider font for some reason
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ajordan filed https://github.com/aaronpk/indieauth.net/issues/3
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Loqi [strugee] #3 Authorization diagram overlaps weirdly
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ajordan https://github.com/connrs/node-webmention-client is it
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Loqi [connrs] node-webmention-client: WebMention Client
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ajordan and https://github.com/connrs/node-lookup-webmention-server
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Loqi [connrs] node-lookup-webmention-server: Lookup WebMention Server
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aaronpk oh funny never heard of those
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ajordan https://www.npmjs.com/search?q=webmention it's a pretty sparse selection
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ajordan IIRC I looked at gobengo's and didn't use it since it looked like a CLI
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aaronpk here's the errata discussion from yesterday https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-12-05-minutes#Errata
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ajordan https://w3c.github.io/activitystreams/core/index.html#media-type
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG/2017-12-06/minutes
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cwebber2 oh nooo
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cwebber2 I missed the meeting
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cwebber2 or did I fully miss it
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cwebber2 dials in
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cwebber2 yeah oops ok :)
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aaronpk you might be able to snag evan at 10am
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aaronpk 1pm EST
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cwebber2 aaronpk: did he tell you that? (did he dial in?)
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cwebber2 I know he wanted to participate on this call
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aaronpk he edited the wiki page
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cwebber2 (oops)
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cwebber2 ah
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ajordan lol
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ajordan it's fine, we had a nice time. I submitted an impl report for Webmention
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ajordan puckipedia: cwebber2 says you were thinking about making something to map Twitter interactions to the AP network?
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ajordan I was thinking of doing the same
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ajordan twitter.pub or something
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ajordan because as we all know I have copious amounts of free time ;)
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cwebber2 doesn't everyone here? ;)
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puckipedia ajordan: ah, hm. Issue with something centralized is that it's easier to block...
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puckipedia advantage of self-hosting is that you can't easily block it
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cwebber2 puckipedia: that's true, and centralized systems have been blocked before
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cwebber2 there was the bridging software on pump.io that was blocked
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cwebber2 by both facebook and twitter iirc
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cwebber2 they both claimed IIRC that it was a ToS violation to "duplicate the stream" or something
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cwebber2 (I wonder why Bridgy hasn't yet hit this problem though?)
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cwebber2 (maybe it just hasn't been noticed yet)
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aaronpk which is kind of surprising cause it's going to reach it's 1 millionth webmention sent very soon
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tantek wow
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tantek well, there's no "stream" at Bridgy for one
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tantek and another, there's been a lot of very thoughtful "minimal impact" design / ops gone into Bridgy that trades off latence/perf for sustainability
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eprodrom rhiaro: are you around?
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eprodrom I have a question about the AS2 context doc
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eprodrom Specifically, I am surprised to see that it's ldp:inbox
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eprodrom Actually, now I see why
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eprodrom OK, this seems like the right thing to do
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cwebber2 :)
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eprodrom The activitystrea.ms package for Node.js is being weird about the inbox
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eprodrom And I can't figure out why
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eprodrom Ah, it's intentionally ignoring the inbox
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eprodrom Okeydokey
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ajordan puckipedia: ahhhhh, right. that's why
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ajordan I knew that and I'm pretty sure I got so excited about ActivityPub I literally forgot
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puckipedia :)
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ajordan ah well
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ajordan although
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ajordan if you wanted to have all ids be normalized to twitter.pub
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ajordan I wonder if the bit that shoves posts into the network could be selfhostable
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ajordan but every activity it generates would get an id at twitter.pub
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ajordan and/or birdsite.pub
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ajordan we like to have fun here
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puckipedia hm
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puckipedia tbh, in Twitter, announces have their own ID
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puckipedia I thought of just having it generate IDs on e.g. twitter.puckipedia.com
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ajordan hm