#social 2018-02-24

2018-02-24 UTC
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tantek !tell sandro re: https://twitter.com/sandhawke/status/967206428405633024 - all your contributions and guidance were greatly valued in the Social Web WG. You have been consistently great about bridging and supporting multiple perspectives & approaches, bringing people closer. So thank you.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [@sandhawke] @harryhalpin @joindiaspora My record is pretty clear about *not* pushing RDF into standards. Quick check -- yeah, WebMention, MicroPub, WebSub, JF2, PTD, IndieAuth all 100% RDF-Free, and AS2 came into the group as a dual-model spec, before I was involved.
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@harryhalpin @dustyweb @sandhawke @joindiaspora One implementation (Mastodon) that can't interoperate with other realworld social apps isn't my definition of a decentralized social web. Had the specs not been hijacked by RDF fans and people agreed on one well-specified way to do it, the @SocialWebWG would been a success. (twitter.com/_/status/967443477473751040)
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@harryhalpin @dustyweb @sandhawke @joindiaspora One implementation (Mastodon) that can't interoperate with other realworld social apps isn't my definition of a decentralized social web. Had the specs not been hijacked by RDF fans and people agreed on one well-specified way to do it, the @SocialWebWG would been a success. (twitter.com/_/status/967443477473751040)
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csarven Ah yes, the "one true way" (tm) strikes again. Devising that may indeed be ideal if we are given complete data - with all the variables and so fort - as well as knowing the outcomes and the influence it will have for all eternity. Knowing where we want to be, all we have to do is a simple reverse-engineering exercise, and come up with that "one well-specified way".
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csarven Unfortunately, that "one well-specified way" is merely arbitrary and accidental! So we take it down a notch, and be humble about the fact that we only understand some of the problems, and really, only small parts of each in the grand scheme of things, and their potential implications. We have different design philosophies - that's healthy for the ecosystem. We've acknowledged that. We don't know for absolute certainty if anything can or should be "the"
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csarven solution. If anything, all we know is that all our ideas (the "good" and the "bad") pave the way for something else. To evolve.
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csarven IMHO, the WG *absolutely* did the right thing by releasing different/similar approaches because it is a natural "snapshot" of how different systems can/should be designed. Eliminating any one would've been an "unnatural" intervention. Let the Web do its thing on this stuff and people will *certainly* revisit the same/new problems in the future. That's inevitable.
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csarven Oh and re "hijacked by RDF fans", roflmaocopter. Sure sure that's exactly what happened. Thanks for the tip.
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cwebber +1
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DenSchub oh god not more of these tweets -.-
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