#social 2018-05-25

2018-05-25 UTC
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ajordan !tell sandro I know it was from a couple of days ago but FWIW if you forget the !tell syntax again, Loqi is documented: https://indieweb.org/loqi
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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DigDug hello
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xmpp-social [ajordan] DigDug: hello!
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melody hey y'all im back, been sick for a while
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melody how are things going?
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JanKusanagi o/
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saranix hey there!
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melody how has it been saranix ?
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saranix good. busy
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saranix hours just seem to disappear lately :/
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melody i am currently trying to figure out what the implications of GDPR are for my implementation and for federation in general and my head is spinning
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saranix I've avoided that... at first I just thought they were all reasonable things but the more I hear about it, the more I can't help but think it's an impossible burden for small businesses. Even just to take the time to find out what it is and if anything needs to be done to comply is a huge cost that small business don't just have money lying around to spend.
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saranix Which then of course makes it unfair because the market is such that people will place more value on the big businesses that are making a big deal about complying. So now not just cost but they are at a market disadvantage as well
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saranix so now they have to spend money just to comply, just to have the right "optics" for their customers, even if they were already technically compliant because they have an ethical business model. Even if this is a cost they can't afford to spend and it will break their business...
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saranix I've also heard many things about what the big business are doing to "comply" and they are snakes as ever, still getting away with murder
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saranix so not only is it ineffective, but smallbusiness killing
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melody yeah, i own a small business but we aren't intentionally collecting any data on EU residents or any data that would allow us to tell if a user was an EU resident, so we're sorta just kinda crossing our fingers there and hoping for the best, we don't have any gross consent practices or behavior tracking or sell data to any advertisers, and would manually comply with any deletion or export requests to the best of our ability
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melody unfortunately its a very different situation for my AP implementation longer term though, because of the project goals, can't just ignore it
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melody and if i need to centralize i will, but that means going back to the drawing board on a lot
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dansup cwebber2: I just read the article, great read! https://medium.com/we-distribute/faces-of-the-federation-christopher-allan-webber-on-mediagoblin-and-activitypub-24bbe212867e
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melody basically: federation was one path to a lot of project goals for us, but it is/was secondary to other things that are definitely more important but i've been putting like, lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of effort and energy into trying not to have to sacrifice federation/decentralization, and i'm hoping GDPR doesn't end up being the nail in the coffin so to speak, but i can't find much of anything useful on the matter
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saranix "You have to reply to *every* issue that?s raised and either satisfy the person who raised it or clearly document why they weren?t satisfied, and any non-satisfied responses get reviewed." -- so does that mean my 2 dozen or so objections are documented somewhere other than the IRC log?