#social 2018-07-07

2018-07-07 UTC
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fr33domlover "A node object must be a JSON object. All keys which are not IRIs, compact IRIs, terms valid in the active context, or one of the following keywords must be ignored when processed"
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fr33domlover So can a node object have keys that are blank node identifiers?
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fr33domlover Spec generally suggests that yes (generalized RDF), playground seems to allow that, but that one line omits blanks it seems
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fr33domlover Hmmm JSON-LD 1.1 doesn't seem to change that line either
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ahihi i'm testing my api using mastodon (hosted on someone else's server) and it doesn't show my posts in the toots view. how to debug this?
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ahihi do i need to set up my own mastodon instance to see what it's doing, or is there an easier way?
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nightpool[m] ahihi: what do you mean by "toots view"?
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ahihi https://anticapitalist.party/system/media_attachments/files/001/182/324/original/e2394c40a6bef64f.png
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nightpool[m] hmm. What response are you getting from the server when you post the activities?
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ahihi i only have this outbox so far: https://apub.foldplop.com/_outbox
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ahihi trying to view the existing posts with mastodon by searching my user@host
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aaronpk afaik mastodon doesn't actually fetch posts from the outbox, you have to deliver them to the mastodon user's inbox
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ahihi oh..
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nightpool[m] yeah you have to actually send the activities to the server before it knows about them
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nightpool[m] https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2018/06/how-to-implement-a-basic-activitypub-server/
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ahihi it does seem to fetch the post count from the outbox, so i figured it would take the posts as well
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nightpool[m] nah, that's just so the numbers are correct
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nightpool[m] people love numbers
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aaronpk oh is that how that works?
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aaronpk adds a minimal outbox
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aaronpk I didn't actually build an outbox for my site cause it turns out nobody was using it
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ahihi :D
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aaronpk but if it's pulling counts from the outbox... then I will add that property :D
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aaronpk this is relevant to the Mastodon API: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/07/7/oauth-for-the-open-web
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ahihi so if someone just looks up my profile (w/o following), how do they get my posts? where do i send the activities?
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aaronpk this post explains it https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2018/07/how-to-make-friends-and-verify-requests/
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aaronpk they have to follow you first
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aaronpk tbh it seems a bit weird that mastodon doesn't show someone's posts until you follow them. I do think it should fetch the latest few from the outbox to show them before following
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ahihi it does show them when i try looking up other users
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ahihi is that just because someone on my instance already follows them?
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aaronpk I think so yeah
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ahihi aha alright
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ahihi many thanks
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aaronpk wow it takes two requests to get posts out of an outbox?
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dansup depends on how the outbox is implemented
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aaronpk oh great lol
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dansup pleroma has inline orderedcollection
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dansup ex: https://pleroma.site/users/pixeldev/outbox
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aaronpk so if "first" is a URL, then you have to go fetch it. but it might also be an object, in which case the posts are there?
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dansup yeah
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aaronpk since apparently mastodon doesn't, do other implementations actually use the outbox posts?
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jaywink[m] https://medium.com/we-distribute/prismo-is-a-decentralized-link-sharing-app-powered-by-activitypub-f03bfe1cf935
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dansup Misskey does the same as pleroma too. https://misskey.xyz/users/57d01a501fdf2d07be417afe/outbox
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aaronpk i'm not sure what i'm supposed to get out of that medium post
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aaronpk do any of these implementation *consume* the list of posts in someone's outbox, or do they all rely on inbox notifications to get new posts?
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dansup inbox notifications for S2S, C2S probably uses outbox more.
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dansup I use outbox to import posts for remote followers that don't exist but that is unlike mastodon or pleroma
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aaronpk can someone who is not already following me plz search for my profile and tell me if it shows the number of posts on my profile now? @aaronpk@aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk I think mastodon is caching it and I am running out of mastodon accounts to test with
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ahihi it says 41K
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aaronpk \o/
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aaronpk thanks
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aaronpk found a new thing in activitypub I need to implement apparently
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nightpool[m] hm/
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nightpool[m] ?
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aaronpk lemme see if I can find it in the spec first
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aaronpk I guess it's this https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#retrieving-objects
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aaronpk i've been able to be followed as well as reply to people without implementing that so far
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aaronpk but I guess when you plug in one of my posts into the mastodon search box, it tries to fetch the post to show it as a preview? I *think* that's the section of the spec that covers that?
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aaronpk okay well that didn't work
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aaronpk oh i'm missing @context maybe that's it
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aaronpk yep that was it
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dansup aaronpk: You can add .json to mastodon statuses too. https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/100331369480345396
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Loqi [pixelfed] Direct Messages. A simulated conversation between @mike and @dansup
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dansup err https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/100331369480345396.json
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aaronpk does mastodon fetch the .json URLs tho?
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aaronpk when you paste a post's URL into the search?
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aaronpk I didn't see that request being made to my server so I assume not
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dansup thats correct
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dansup they use the AP method iirc
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nightpool[m] aaronpk: the json urls are just a convenience for debugging
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nightpool[m] ruby handles them automatically with how it handles mime types
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aaronpk they are certainly more convenient than content negotiation
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nightpool[m] `apcurl () { curl -H "Accept: application/activity+json" "$@" | jq; }`
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aaronpk an example of someone confused by not being able to find my post from an instance that was not already following me https://mastodon.social/@xuv/100335631264029001
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Loqi [Julien Deswaef] @aaronpk PS: I should mention that I started following you from the other instance. But still could not see your post before searching for it.
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