#social 2019-05-10
2019-05-10 UTC
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dansup I think the meetings should be quarterly with an emphasis on participation of AP devs and project representatives
# melody i don't think meeting even less frequently is going to make anything better
# dansup tbh, there is a huge disconnect with w3c/ActivityPub and implementations/devs
# nightpool[m] mmm
# nightpool[m] i wouldn't exactly say that
# dansup LitePub, the lack of pleroma devs in this channel, ect
# melody litepub is not anything
# nightpool[m] kaniini is an outlier because he's been banned from like 5 standards orgs
# dansup I have implemented LitePub in my project
# melody how, there isn't even an actual spec there
# dansup because I'm writing the spec with kaniini
# nightpool[m] literally every link to the litepub spec is broken
# nightpool[m] you can't implement a spec that you haven't published
# nightpool[m] that's not how specs work
# melody there's also talk of the w3c making space for "living specs" and talk of what that would mean for AP, which might like, actually allow some of the problems get fixed, but not if nobody shows up or we all stop talking
# dansup yeah I should have done the site
# melody discussing that was supposed to be on the agenda for this month, but nobody came
# dansup because nobody knew about it
# melody it was the regular time and it was on the published agenda for a month
# nightpool[m] and also specifically the meetings aren't at a time i can attend
# nightpool[m] since they're during work hours
# nightpool[m] I think there's also just a disconnect between the kinds of things that are best solved by standards orgs and the kinds of problems that are being faced by implementations today
# dansup yeah exactly
# nightpool[m] We just went through a very heavy standardization phase, so we're going to be in an experimentation and development phase for a little while
# nightpool[m] and the group just isn't really set up to publicize/encourage the Right Things there
# nightpool[m] people keep coming in here trying to make the Perfect Compliant implementation instead of something that like, actually does something interesting
# melody part of the problem is that AP is so underspecced that people have to come here just to figure out what other people are doing enough to be compatible at all, you literally can't federate if you only follow the written spec
# nightpool[m] for the record, i think the most valuable thing that w3c could provide for the community today is an intent to implement/intent to ship process
# nightpool[m] melody (IRC): i think you're really really overestimating the amount of people that try to write things by reading specs vs the amount of people that write implementations based on reading things like https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2018/06/how-to-implement-a-basic-activitypub-server/
# dansup nightpool[m]: I agree, pixelfed and ephemeral content will be a very interesting AP extension
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# fr33domlover The reason I don't come here for the meetings is that I don't feel a sense of community and nobody tells whether and why I'd be needed. I talk about AP practical stuff a lot on IRC and SocialHub, with dansup and cjslep (and yes kaniini too) and others, but I never get to see how that stuff relates to the meetings
# fr33domlover I was on 1 meeting here, it self very formal, idk ^_^
# fr33domlover *it felt
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jaywink[m] cwebber2 (IRC): do you need help maintaining the test.activitypub.rocks suite? It seems to be down an awful lot. We'd be happy to host it at Feneas for example.
# jaywink[m] can't promise that ;) but can promise uptime
# jaywink[m] sure 👍
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