#social 2019-09-28
2019-09-28 UTC
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dansup Hello everyone, this will be a big weekend for Pixelfed! v0.10.6 is due out and we'll start federating Place between Pixelfed instances
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cwebber2 so we have a meeting scheduled for in 2 hours https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG/2019-09-28
# nightpool[m] I'll be able to be there!
# nightpool[m] I'm specifically interested in discussing the GitHub issue about the mailing list and our resolution on SocialHub
# nightpool[m] (I would link but I'm on mobile)
# nightpool[m] probably should at least make some posts on the fediverse to judge interest first
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# cwebber2 folks who are planning to attend: pls read https://www.w3.org/wiki/Evergreen_Standards
# nightpool[m] Can someone with wiki access format the https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG/2019-09-11/minutes correctly? I'm finding them hard to read compared to, e.g., the 2018 minutes, since they're just plain text logs
# nightpool[m] Did the software we used to turn them into a wiki markup break? Should we fix it?
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# nightpool ping
# nightpool[m] ping
# nightpool (just doing some latency tests, don't mind me)
# heluecht[m] Question is: Who will hit the net, when you play ping pong?
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# nightpool[m] sorry, internet dropped out for a bit there
# melody present+
# rigelk present+
# nightpool[m] present+
# cwebber2 TOPIC: Evergreen Recs (reminder, voting happening in following meeting) https://www.w3.org/wiki/Evergreen_Standards
# nightpool[m] I did!
# nightpool[m] q+
# rigelk cwebber2: first topic is ER recommendation. asking if attendees have had the chance to read the standards.
# rigelk nightpool: yes, I guess there are a lot of unanswered questions about the ER process, since the document was primarily written with WG in mind and not CG. Some points might not apply to us.
# rigelk nightpool: I don't think that changes a lot about the CG editing the draft as it is.
# rigelk cwebber2: you're right that it is a bit underspecified. We should talk with the W3C staff if we could formalize the work we're doing - more than just an Editor's Draft that we keep updating. This is still something the W3C has never done and is still exploring.
# rigelk cwebber2: regarding patents in particular, the W3C should give some degree in protection to the CG about patents that they usually give to WG.
# rigelk cwebber2: do you think that the protection given to the CG by having people sign up to the W3C would be sufficient?
# rigelk nightpool: I don't quite understand the difference in protection we have to a WG.
# rigelk cwebber2: I will reach out to the W3C for details about that.
# nightpool[m] +1
# nightpool[m] My understanding, rigelk (IRC), is that it's very uncommon but very disastrous when it does happen
# rigelk right :/
# nightpool[m] I know a little bit of the status
# rigelk cwebber2: I'm not sure what we can do more about socialhub.activitypub.rocks - right now this cannot make progress without hellekin who has set it up.
# nightpool[m] s/need access/have access/
# rigelk cwebber2: If you could ask, that would be great.
# nightpool[m] q+
# rigelk I'll do that.
# rigelk nightpool: I don't think any progress has been done on that list since the last meeting.
# rigelk nightpool: it would be good if we could check that.
# rigelk cwebber2: I haven't had a chance to take a look at issues since the last meeting.
# nightpool[m] q+
# rigelk cwebber2: are there any issues that anybody has had the chance to look over and that someone would be willing to look at?
# rigelk nightpool: one is about the mailing list and the fact that it would overlap with the forum - where is the AP-specific part discussions going to take place?
# rigelk nightpool: is the forum for the CG or the AP discussions?
# rigelk cwebber2: my understanding is that very early in the SocialCG we had a long discussion about forums and mailing-lists - some didn't like them and preferred the issue tracker for that matter.
# rigelk cwebber2: the forum is not for the CG at large but for AP before bringing issue to the CG as appropriate
# nightpool[m] q+
# melody q+
# rigelk cwebber2: I haven't heard a lot of clamoring about mailing-list - should we look at the issue too?
# nightpool[m] https://github.com/swicg/general/issues/25
# rigelk nightpool: there was a discussion about this on GitHub - some people are in favor of that in issue #25
# nightpool[m] i don't think that captures my point, rigelk (IRC)
# rigelk sorry :/
# nightpool[m] What I said was "Some people are in favor of it but nobody was able to jump in and add the context that we had already resolved this"
# rigelk thanks - had trouble hearing you clearly
# nightpool[m] no worries, just wanted to make sure my point was clear
# rigelk melody: I don't think we need a mailing list
# nightpool[m] q+
# rigelk cwebber2: W3C has apparently had infra problems - I can't login and authenticate properly to the channel to manage the scribe bot. I don't know who has OP status - aaronpk ?
# rigelk cwebber2: the alternatives: contact W3C to get OPs (probably a good idea) - or get a bot in the meantime. Either is still better than just copy-pasting chat logs.
# nightpool q+
# rigelk +1 (and I guess also from nightpool?)
# rigelk nightpool: I'm happy to reach out and figure it out
# melody +1
# rigelk +1
# nightpool +0 - I wouldn't be able to make it myself, but I know other people are in favor
# rigelk cwebber2: we can try to set another meeting on the 26th - 2 week from then
# rigelk cwebber2: wiki pages are only editable by W3C members - aaronpk cwebber2 and benjamin goering - that is problematic and we should find a better solution
# nightpool ACTION: I can come up with some sort of proposal on the wiki situation
# rigelk cwebber2: right now the website requires a setup via Guix and Scheme. There hasn't been much change since its inception. The question is: is it worth switching the site?
# rigelk cwebber2: the advantage was about the implementation reports procedural implementation. We might want to preserve this page and it is the more difficult change to implement.
# nightpool q+
# nightpool q+
# rigelk cwebber2: there is also the question of what we want to do about test.activitypub.rocks.
# rigelk nightpool: I don't have a clear view of what we need to change to the site.
# rigelk cwebber2: it is not easy to change in its current state. but slight changes should be easy enough. nightpool, should we put up a list of things to change to get a proper view of what needs to be done?
# nightpool q
# nightpool q+
# rigelk nightpool: if there is a problem with adding/editing the site, I'm happy to help with changes to Haunt, I just need a list of changes.
# melody q+
# rigelk q+
# nightpool yeah, absolutely echoing chris here. Onboading is a huge deal and i want to get better at it, i just don't think those resources exist for us to link to
# rigelk melody: I think one thing the could help is the onboarding: right now it is not clear how specs are dependent on each other, so it might be worth having an onboarding page, especially for developers.
# rigelk cwebber2: what we need first is the forum, and what we want on ap.rocks
# nightpool +!
# nightpool +1
# rigelk cwebber2: with that said, we can close the meeting.
# nightpool waves
# rigelk sorry about the messy transcription - I have definitely missed some points raised
# heluecht[m] BTW: I do know, why I only had listened, but not interacted. I mostly need more time for understanding and thinking about an answer.
# heluecht[m] But: Most of the speakers had mostly been understandable to me.
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# heluecht[m] cwebber2 (IRC): I'm more in the written conversation - and the P2P things at conferences.
# nightpool Loqi, start meeting
# nightpool hmm
# nightpool Loqi: ping
# nightpool ping
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RRSAgent logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/09/28-social-irc
# nightpool present+
# nightpool q+
# nightpool ack nightpool
# nightpool Yeah
# nightpool I sent an email
# nightpool but basically--there are three bots
# nightpool tracker, zakim, and rrsagent
# nightpool only the first one broke when the WG was closed
# nightpool but the only thing it did was invite the other two
# nightpool zakim, bye
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# nightpool rrsagent, bye
# nightpool RRSAgent, make logs public
# nightpool RRSAgent, bye
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# nightpool (to be clear, what i meant is that I sent you an email with my notes)
# nightpool I've just been reading docs, I haven't done anything except that
# nightpool Also getting deep into w3 process stuff around this evergreen situation, looks like it's actually part of the process proposal for 2020
# nightpool https://github.com/w3c/w3process/issues/79 has a ton of discussion on the issue
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