#social 2019-11-11
2019-11-11 UTC
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heluecht[m] I'm still asking myself, if the "source" element could handle several pairs for different media types.
# heluecht[m] Background: There are several systems out there, for which the "content" fields needs to be simplified.
# nightpool[m] I agree that it would be useful, but only one of them can really be the true "source", right?
# heluecht[m] For example: Friendica does allow a very rich subset of commands to format the output. Systems like Mastodon or Pleroma can only display parts of it. But for example Socialhome could display more.
# heluecht[m] Friendica does use BBCode, Socialhome uses Markdown. So having BBCode, Markdown and a non stripped-down version of HTML would help the systems that do enable rich formatting as well.
# nightpool[m] why would remote servers care about bbcode or markdown?
# nightpool[m] they should just sanitize the already rendered html
# heluecht[m] Well, servers who do allow a richer subset of HTML than Pleroma or Mastodon could use the richer version in the "source" array.
# nightpool[m] I'm not sure I follow
# nightpool[m] wouldn't the rich html already be in content?
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jaywink[m] socialhome uses the markdown from the source, if it is enabled
# heluecht[m] Because Mastodon fails to display it.
# jaywink[m] * socialhome uses the markdown from the source, if it is provided
# heluecht[m] Mastodon can't display quotes.
# heluecht[m] Mastodon can't display lists
# heluecht[m] Mastodon can't display tables
# heluecht[m] ...
# nightpool[m] > <@jaywink:federator.dev> * socialhome uses the markdown from the source, if it is provided
# nightpool[m] isn't that potentially confusing if the remote server has a different markdown subset then you do?
# nightpool[m] > <@heluecht:feneas.org> Mastodon can't display tables
# nightpool[m] what does that have to do with what you send in content?
# nightpool[m] mastodon will just sanitize those elements into div tags if it doesn't understand them
# heluecht[m] The output really looks garbles with lists that aren't displayed like they should.
# heluecht[m] Same goes with quotes. People from Mastodon can't see them as quotes.
# nightpool[m] well, that's mastodon's problem then....
# heluecht[m] Yes. But it doesn't help when Mastodon users complain about badly formatted texts from Friendica.
# heluecht[m] So having some limited HTML in the "content" and a rich version in the source could help.
# nightpool[m] Anyway, I understand why in general it might be nice to have multiple rendered versions of a post, but they're not the post's "source"
# heluecht[m] Systems could pick the version that they prefer.
# heluecht[m] Which field do you suggest?
# nightpool[m] "source" is explicitly defined to be the single thing the user is authoring
# nightpool[m] a contentTypeMap field? it's a little tricky because activity streams already allows for localized notes
# heluecht[m] I would like to have some workaround that is (mostly) covered by the standard.
# nightpool[m] and trying to allow for the product set of localized * multiple representations feels like it can get really messy
# heluecht[m] Do you have an example for this "TypeMap" thing?
# nightpool[m] well, the current standard doesn't provide for it, it only provides for feature-detected html
# nightpool[m] I don't have an example
# nightpool[m] so there's no fallback here that's going to work with the current standard, except telling mastodon users that they can't see rich text formatted posts because they're on a platform that doesn't support them. I know thib has done a lot of work recently in making mastodon's rich text fallback better, I would suggest reaching out to him with any issues you find
# heluecht[m] Well, there had been some discussion concerning HTML formatting with Mastodon. And the result had been clear: Mastodon won't do anything concerning this. This has to be respected. But I would like to find some compromise where Mastodon users don't experience too unreadable posts - and the other systems don't have to restrict themselfes.
# nightpool[m] what do you mean mastodon won't do anything concerning this? we've definitely done work in this area: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/pull/10836
# nightpool[m] basically, places where the sanitizer makes remote statuses unreadable are bugs
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# heluecht[m] I meant stuff like the support for basic HTML like bold or italic - where Gargron has his own opinion.
# nightpool[m] yes, I'm responding specifically to "when Mastodon users complain about badly formatted texts". that's a bug on our end
# heluecht[m] Mastodon people easily get confused with quoted text, since "blockquote" isn't supported.
# kaniini work that was abandoned :)
# kaniini (i don't blame Gargron for doing so mind, that conversation got super hot)