#social 2020-05-09
2020-05-09 UTC
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hellekin hey there
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# sl007 present+
# pukkamustard present+
# emacsen present+
# Grishka present+
# pukkamustard cwebber: Introductions real quick.
# pukkamustard cwebber: Everybodies introductions skribed last meeting.
# pukkamustard Grishka: My name is Gregory, from Russia. I used to work in [uninteligble] telegram projects. Mostly write in Java and C++. Current sorry state of social media got me interested in ActivityPub. Here I am.
# Grishka actually I have one thing to add about myself
# pukkamustard cwebber: Worth discussing if we should do an online ActivityPubConf.
# pukkamustard sl007: There was an announcement from Pixelfed to do something.
# pukkamustard cwebber: Morgan Webber who was main organizer (co-organizer with many other) has reached out to him. He has not run a conference before. If you want to collaborate we should. If not you should use a different name than ActivityPubConf.
# pukkamustard sl007: We do not know if FediConf in September will take place in Barcelona.
# pukkamustard sl007: Grishka, if you are interested there is a page ...
# Grishka [uninteligble] == Pavel Durov's projects, VK and Telegram
# pukkamustard Grishka: one thing to add about myself. I have my ActivityPub project. It is a server. It is a social network intendend to be very similar to russian social media network. It's called smitheren. Currently in very early stage.
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# pukkamustard can you add link, @Grishka?
# pukkamustard cwebber: On this topic two subtopics. Links to LibreLingo and to Solid. Nobody from topics present. Maybe move on to Groups on ActivityPub topic. Unless anybody has a feeling of urgency.
# pukkamustard cwebber: moving on.
# sl007 @Grishka btw : we also have a nice category in the forum https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/software/
# pukkamustard cwebber: Gregory, I see you have interest in this. Would you like to start what you are thinking of?
# pukkamustard Grishka: I havent started implementing groups yet. Really I don't have much to say about groups now.
# pukkamustard cwebber: I can say a thing or two. If there is interest. Is there anything topically you would like to go trough? go on or qustion on groups?
# pukkamustard Grishka: I listed a couple of questions on the SocialHub forum. But I think I will have a lot more when I start getting into it.
# pukkamustard Grishka: Probably lot to talk about on this topic next meeting.
# pukkamustard cwebber: moving on to current topics list.
# pukkamustard cwebber: Serge, would you like to give introduction to state?
# pukkamustard emacsen: There are a number of us working on not immediate implementation issues but things that may become relevant in 1-2years+. And we are looking into how to develope these add-ons in a way that it is collaborative and not as radical divergence from how ActivityPub is now.
# pukkamustard cwebber: And not only datashards?
# pukkamustard emacsen: Yes. Datashards for example. Distributed key-words - a supplementary protocol. what a p2p ActivityPub might look like. All topics that are not ActivityPub but ActivityPub related.
# pukkamustard emacsen: Is there interest for a loose group for weekly meetings on discussing different projects.
# sl007 +1
# pukkamustard cwebber: Was not in the topic list.
# pukkamustard cwebber: Was on the bullet list not on topic list.
# pukkamustard emacsen: after this meeting we will talk about Datashards.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Some background: Serge and I had a call with cj who works on gofed. And we basically outlined a future direction of the protocol to fill in the holes. Cj showed interest in doing a particular part of it. We all had a great time on the call. Maybe this should be regular.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: The SocialCG is to raise topics in abstract. with Cj it was about future implementors implenanting the issues. Idea to have a format for discussion: Presentation and then discussion on the presentation.
# pukkamustard emacsen: These calls (SocialCG) are puroposely not focused but more broad
# pukkamustard emacsen: to allow new ideas.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: pause to see if anybody queues up.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Would anybody be interested in this?
# emacsen_ +1
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Coordinate a time for a Jitsi-Meeting. for the format: Presentation and then discussion.
# Grishka +1
# pukkamustard +1
# sl007 +1
# pukkamustard cwebber2: show of hands for interest.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Feedback from Fediverse implementors: this might be a format that would be nice. Best way to go: experiment. Organize a meeting. See what happens, take it from there.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Action point: thread on forum to coordinate meeting. No strong opinion on which forum.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Take a action point to create a thread on forum and announce on Fediverse. Sounds good?
# emacsen_ +1
# pukkamustard +1
# pukkamustard hellekin: I guess you could use a poll.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: We could use a poll. Is there a date/time poll thing? Maybe for now it is good to get a time range that works for people. and then if there is overlap create a poll.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: for now the fediverse implementors usergroup. Maybe we'll find a better name.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: If there's nobody on the queue. We can move on to the wordpress discussion.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Is this a SocialHub thing? about adding them to a category?
# pukkamustard hellekin: I put this item on the agenda in order to kind of capture the people interested in implementing ActivityPub or working on it.
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# pukkamustard hellekin: What I want to propose is to create categories for people who are not there yet.
# pukkamustard hellekin: Maintain a catalog of implementations and projects.
# sl007 q+
# pukkamustard emacsen: can you summarize cwebber2?
# pukkamustard cwebber2: You want to create a category on SocialHub forum who are working on implementations and drive them into the ocmmunity
# pukkamustard sl007: If I see it right. Wordpress is the last thing on topic. Maybe we can discuss Conference as additional topic.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Morgan should be represented in that conversation. But yes, I would be happy to discuss conference stuff at the end.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Comment to hellekin: A great thing to do. thumbs up.
# pukkamustard hellekin: Cool. Will do.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Nobdoy on queue. Maybe talk about conference?
# pukkamustard cwebber2: FediConf first?
# pukkamustard sl007: Original idea at ccc to do a virtual ActivityPub conference weeks before the Barcelona conference.
# pukkamustard sl007: Daniel from Pixelfed wants to create an online conference. I am ready to help anywhere.
# pukkamustard sl007: Barcelona conference is uncertain.
# pukkamustard sl007: because of current situation.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Morgan will join conversation. She was in touch with dansup.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: sl007, do you want to repeat what you said about the conference stuff?
# pukkamustard sl007: At the Chaos communcation conference i took place in the discussion about a conference in september. Autumn not summer. But nobody knows if it can take place (travel restrictions, etc.). Daniel told that he can do at a virtual conference.
# pukkamustard Morgan: I have talked a bit to dansup and Chris and I have talked about doing a online ApConf. Jist: Same organizers or different name. dansup seems to be ok with coordinating with us. Idea is to do a call for participation and people record their submissions. Also have scheduled Jitsi meetings for discussions to get around the issue of streaming on free softwrae.
# pukkamustard sl007: I agree, only question if Jitsi is needed or Mumble is enough.
# pukkamustard sl007: I would have a feature request for streamlined coding together.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: We participated in virtual penguin conf. They had a live part over Jitsi or other streaming services. They didn't have prerecorded stuff. They also had room for people to hang out and talk about topics.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Rerecording and talking to author is not to far away from that.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: One advantage of Jitsi is screen-sharing and code-demos.
# pukkamustard sl007: Shoud it be live coding or things like in the rebooting the web of trust with one Git repository where stuff gets collected.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: I think there can be lot of things taken as inspiration from rebooting the web of trust like pre-submissions.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Two different conference we are interested in: Hacking and presentations. Is that about right?
# pukkamustard sl007: That is right. What would be nice is to use Internet as a tool to code together.
# emacsen_ +1
# pukkamustard Morgan: Nice things about PenguinConf: It was done in a hurry so no one way of doing it. There were zoom calls, twitch sessinons... Maybe take inspiration from that and use different mediums. Let the conference become what people want.
# pukkamustard Morgan: Another question: how to organize schedule for people in Europe and America.
# emacsen_ erm +q (sorry)
# pukkamustard Morgan: Maybe five days with shorter days (overlap) or something else.
# pukkamustard emacsen: This looks like it will be a fairly long topic. I move that this will be moved to a different place for planning.
# pukkamustard Morgan: #apconf room may be the place.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Good idea to have enough planning and discussion. Get people like dansup and other involved.
# emacsen_ q+
# pukkamustard cwebber2: two possibilities: Schedule for topic next meeting (in a week) or in a room to talk about this?
# hellekin I'd rather have an ongoing topic about it
# hellekin +1 to emacsen_
# pukkamustard emacsen: I propose to move to #apconf room. Helps for asyncronous communication.
# pukkamustard Morgan: and we can schedule a meeting there.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: #apconf on irc.freenode.net
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Then let's have the discussion there.
# pukkamustard Morgan: bye everybody.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: That looks like the end of the list of topics.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: Those who are interested in Datashards at the top of the hour.
# pukkamustard hellekin: Will be happy to talk about datashards.
# pukkamustard cwebber2: If you can make it we'll see you in 15 minutes or in a month or whenever.
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Loqi [Christopher Lemmer Webber] Who would be interested in joining a "Fediverse Futures implementer usergroup" video call? Half an hour of presentations, then half of discussion. If you're interested, please express so here or on this thread: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t...
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