#social 2021-02-04
2021-02-04 UTC
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lsneff Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but has the idea of adding some sort of AudioCall/VideoCall Activity to ActivityPub ever come up?
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# Ariadne this socialhub policy statement requires substantial rework
# trwnh lsneff: a/v calls don't really fit into the actor-activity-object paradigm, you'd want to do that out-of-band over a different protocol, and p2p between devices rather than actors. at most, you'd have some signaling over activitypub to initiate the p2p session, similar to xmpp's jingle. but you'd have to be able to address devices and not just actors. in short, it's going to take a lot of extensions to make such a thing possible
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# lsneff trwnh: right, would need to be signaling to negotiate a/v with SDP. Matrix has special types for this.
# lsneff Also, I have a question about direct messaging. Is the plan to add a Message Activity that would hint it at it rendering in a messaging context instead of a feed?
# sl007 Just reposted some snippets from EUs digital flagship event. Positions in Europe at https://twitter.com/sl007 (shame on EU for not using ActivityPub for own communication)
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# trwnh lsneff: see https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/196#issuecomment-766835193
# trwnh tldr: activitypub is a message passing protocol and doesn't have the concept of "feeds"
# trwnh there's some prior example of having a "directMessage" flag via an extended property
# trwnh there's also the option to use a different payload like Message or EncryptedEnvelope, but those have to be defined first in some json-ld context
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@sl007 ↩️ Ja.
Mit 100% grüner Energie der Europäischen Rechenzentren ist hier die Lösung via MdB @anked Domscheit-Berg
https://twitter.com/sl007/status/1354800005949792260
und hier die Spezifikation
https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
mit dem Vokabular
https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/ (twitter.com/_/status/1357387811020759046)
# sl007 trwnh ActivityPub has the same addressing like email: To, cc, bcc etc. Why not bcc = only private messaging context. Did I overlook something in the issue?
# sl007 about mine: Just fishing for EU money ;)
# trwnh bcc doesn't work because sometimes you want the recipients to be known
# trwnh really the question is not about "how do we do messaging" but rather "how do we do feeds". because we currently assume all activities map to a single stream of activities, we've seen mostly feed-based ux in the existing fedi. and this is fine for now because we are mostly interested in the activities. conversations are a matter of context
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# Ariadne bcc is really broken
# Ariadne jejune does not use feed ux (well, we kinda fake a feed for mastodon clients, but i've kinda given up on mapping mastodon API to native AS collections and mailboxes)
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