#social 2021-05-01
2021-05-01 UTC
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sl007 Meeting in 15 minutes https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/2021-05-01-fediverse-interest-group-meeting/1649
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RRSAgent logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/05/01-social-irc
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# jarofgreen Did the meeting happen an hour or 2 ago?
# Grishka it's still happening
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# jarofgreen Did it start an hour ago?
# Grishka yea
# jarofgreen Ok. I am in the waiting room for meeting but I’ll just miss it as it probably won’t make sense joining towards the end. I’m going to post on tho ferum about start times - there has been some timezone issues I think.
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# Grishka I got disconnected again, argh
# Grishka the mandatory sound test is annoying
# jarofgreen I’ve posted the most technical and unapologetic note ever for being late :-) https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/clarification-on-meeting-times-utc-timezone-issues/1690 Not meaning to have a go at anyone who set this up (thanks for your work!) just seeking clarity for future meetings
# nightpool[m] my understanding is that the UTC thing was always an oversight
# nightpool[m] it doesn't make sense for a meeting's time to change relative to the people participating it in twice a year
# jarofgreen I’m not fussed which way it is resolved, as long as it’s clearly resolved one way and all relevant docs updated
# jarofgreen UTC does seem the fairer way; defining it by any other timezone seems premumptious. In particular, defining it in London timezone means that we enforce London BST changes on any one else in another country
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# jarofgreen In fact, if it was defined in London timezone and someone was in a timezone with a summer time zone change that didn’t match BST start/end dates one, then I think??? they could actually see the time of the event in their local time zone change 4 times over the year, which seems unfair
# jarofgreen But I’m happy either way, as long as it’s clear
# jarofgreen rhiaro: hey if people love the lol’s then fair point, I won’t stand in their way :-)
# jarofgreen So in other words …. tried to turn up for meeting; missed meeting; ended up arguing about UTC/Timezone issues. Actually this might have been the meeting content I’m at home with anyway :-P
# jarofgreen Thanks rhiaro
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# Grishka every time someone schedules a meeting, they don't show up for it
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# mogery WRT Link type in Activity Vocabulary: Is it in spec to use a URL string instead of a
{"type": "Link", ...}?# Grishka TIL that there's an actual Link type
# mogery lol. So I guess it's widely accepted.
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# mogery (Mastodon does it too in it's user/following Collection, for example)
# Grishka well, I don't have a Link object, I simply parse links into (java.net.)URI objects
# Grishka and I have a LinkOrObject wrapper thing for when something could be either one or the other
# mogery might just use the object, since it makes types easier
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# nightpool[m] mogery: so, it's a little weird, and honestly I find this one of the more confusing parts of AS2, but effectively—using the URI string does not create a Link object, it just acts as a pointer to the referenced object
# nightpool[m] a Link is a special type for if you want to include metadata
# mogery ohh.
# mogery so if I just want to say "hey i don't have this other instance's user data on me, go check it out yourself"
# mogery i should just use an URL string?
# nightpool[m] if you're referencing a JSON-LD object, yes
# mogery alright, great, ty
# humanetech mogery: what project are you working on? I'm editing the AP watchlist right now, and'll add it ( https://git.feneas.org/feneas/fediverse/-/wikis/Watchlist-for-ActivityPub-apps )
# nightpool[m] another way to think about it is that the URI string is usually for reference other JSON-LD/AS2 objects, and Links are used for external resources
# Grishka yes, a URL is simply a reference
# nightpool[m] *referencing
# mogery humanetech: https://github.com/lectrn/lectrn / https://lectrn.com
# humanetech mogery: thank you
# mogery very WIP :)
# humanetech mogery: np, the watchlist tracks anything ongoing. It is a staging area before things appear on https://fediverse.party
# humanetech mogery: should it be in Microblogging category?
# mogery nightpool[m]: yeah, i thought the link was also just that. but now I see that it's more for like, URL attachments for Notes or something.
# mogery humanetech: yeah, for now
# humanetech mogery: thx, it is added :)
# mogery ty :)
# humanetech Ghrishka: did you talk about capability negotiation at the meeting?
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# sl007 humanetech just added according log
# sl007 The meeting minutes can be found here https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/2021-05-01-fediverse-interest-group-meeting/1649/23
# humanetech sl007" nice, thx.
# humanetech grishka: sorry for typo in your name before :( I got the notes via sl007
# sl007 rhiaro - it was like bengo was not there, unfortunately I don't know how to use amazing Zakim and did scribe very slow (clicking buttons only), sorry, but the draft for the notes is in socialhub …
# bengo I was not there. I overslept.
# sl007 mogery About Link object vs. string. It is defined in the Spec. what to use where, the Range anyURI is a string and the Range Link is a Link object …
# sl007 bengo, no worries! I need a lesson how I could scribe better, although, I always think in 2021 machines should be able to translate voice to text easy … But there should also be more teleporters …
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# humanetech sl007: maybe you can move the Content Negotation to its own - new or existing - topic, and point to it from the SocialCG topic.. otherwise it'll be hard to find, and we get mixed discussions.
# sl007 ok, tomorrow, forgive me, cause of friends and BVB now (and the cup) ;)
# humanetech Think grishka Compliance Profiles are essential in this. My as:Offer may be an entirely different thing than your as:Offer .. unless I state that mine complies to e.g. "Ecommerce Basic" or whatever.
# humanetech sl007: np :)
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# Grishka humanetech yes I did, and I finally got people to understand my vision lol
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rhiaro sl007, humanetech, anyone else who might need it: scribe/q/zakim stuff is documented here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG#Meeting_Process
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# sl007 +q
# sl007 +1
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# Grishka interesting how one bot triggers the other one at the end of a meeting
# Grishka I'm too used to telegram, where bots are special and are largely unaware of each other's existnece
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# Grishka yes, but telegram bots literally don't see each other's messages in a chat so they effectively only ever respond to people
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