#wordpress 2017-12-06

2017-12-06 UTC
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[mrkrndvs] Am thinking about how we might support Gen 2 & 3 people in coming onboard
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GWG [andrea_arbogast: Hello
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[andrea_arbogast Hi!
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[andrea_arbogast Does anyone know of a good markdown importer for WP? I have content in jekyll format.
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[andrea_arbogast I have seen advice to export jekyll to RSS and then use the rss importer, but I would rather not stand my jekyll instance back up…
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GWG I don't, alas
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jeremych_ Bulk importer, no, sorry.
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jeremych_ hing I really do not understand about WP and indieweb; how important is it to use an indieweb enabled theme? Can I get away with the plugins and, say, twentyseventeen?
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jeremych_ There's a site I want to bring into the fold, preferably without going for a new theme.
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tantek great question
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tantek what is a WordPress theme?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress theme" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "WordPress theme is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek huh
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tantek jeremych_: I was going to say that the WordPress Theme page should have a "Why" section where it answers exactly that question you asked
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jeremych_ I'll wait till you find it ...
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tantek what are WordPress themes
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Loqi WordPress Themes are a simple way to quickly change the look and feel of a WordPress website primarily by use of CSS https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes
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tantek WordPress theme is /WordPress/Themes
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /WordPress_theme (+29) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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jeremych_ Now reading
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jeremych_ Might see whether uf2 plugin will do the business.
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tantek.com edited /WordPress/Themes (+253) "add a stub Why section with at least one reason to pick a particular theme" (view diff)
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[andrea_arbogast I recently tried using 2016 with the uf2 plugin, and had to hardcode some microformats to get everything to work the way I wanted: https://andreaarbogast.com/site-notes/.
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Loqi [<span class='p-author h-card'>andrea</span>] Site Notes
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tantek jeremych_: there's a start: https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes#Why feel free to expand with the specifics of your question
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jeremych_ Thanks tantek
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[andrea_arbogast If you are OK with doing that, you should be able to use other themes.
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jeremych_ I'm OK with doing that, but if I'm going to get into that, I think I'd rather put the effort into building a child of an existing indie theme.
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jeremych_ Is there somewhere I can see a live preview of MF2_S GWG?
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sknebel [andrea_arbogast: I found this: https://tyler.io/importing-jekyll-posts-into-wordpress/
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jeremycherfas.net edited /WordPress/Themes (+613) "/* Why */ Expanding" (view diff)
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jeremych_ Tantek ^^^ please take a look
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[andrea_arbogast Thanks sknebel
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tantek jeremych_: I'll try to edit a bit to simplify the text for folks who might otherwise just skim
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tantek.com edited /WordPress/Themes (+489) "why: simplify sentences, more user-wording, less dev-wording, try some positive encouragement" (view diff)
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tantek jeremych_: ^^^ would appreciate your thoughts on that iteration too
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tantek tried to keep the concepts you added, made a lot of sense to me
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jeremych_ Thanks. I like what you have done, but will just shift the final idea, as I feel that belongs better under how than why. Give me a minute.
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jeremycherfas.net edited /WordPress/Themes (-296) "/* Why */" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas.net edited /WordPress/Themes (+342) "/* Child Themes */ Move benefits of sharing here" (view diff)
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jeremych_ Got a bit wordy again, with too many options, but I think this is worthwhile.
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tantek sometimes we have to capture new meaning/content with more words before we can distill them into fewer words
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jeremych_ Is the article still a stub? I've never really understood where the limit lies.
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jeremych_ Or, as claimed for many people, "Sorry to write such a long letter, I didn't have time to do a short one".
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tantek indeed
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[pfefferle] good morning
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sknebel yeah, with that length it might make more sense to remove the stub notice or put it on specific sections that need expansion
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sknebel or other calls to action, e.g. "List your template here!"
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[mrkrndvs] I have decided that as a Gen 2 I am going to ask stupid questions for the benefit of future generations. jeremycherfas by _upstream_ do you mean forking a repository in GitHub and/or adding a comment to the original repository?
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[mrkrndvs] Will make the change, just wanted to clarify ...
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GWG I recommend you try Indieweb 2016 in.my repo.
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GWG Hello, all
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[andrea_arbogast Can I add your indieweb 2016 and Zenpress to the list of themes in the wiki so other new folks will know about them?
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[pfefferle] sure 🙂
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jeremych_ [mrkrndvs] That was tantek's wording; I had better leave it to him to clarify.
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andreaarbogast.com edited /WordPress/Themes (+460) "/* Themes Supporting Microformats */" (view diff)
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tantek really appreciate your contributions [mrkrndvs]
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tantek yes I hesitated a bit on "upstream" but figured it at least captured the meaning if a bit jargony
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[chrisaldrich] mrkrndvs++ for "stupid questions" though I find that they're fair, balanced, and actually VERY useful in my writing over the past month!
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Loqi mrkrndvs has 3 karma
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[jeremycherfas] I restored my child of Zenpress. Tomorrow I’ll add the indieweb plugins and try to document any difficulties.
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[mrkrndvs] tantek could it be as easy as having an 'upstreaming' page rather than make the WordPress page too lengthy?
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tantek [mrkrndvs]: not sure it's worth a whole page, but yeah it could be rerphrased
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[miklb] !tell andrea you can create an atom feed file for all of your jekyll posts and then import that via the WordPress RSS importer I should have a jekyll template floating to create the feed if you don’t find anything
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next