#wordpress 2017-12-13

2017-12-13 UTC
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-configure-themes.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-configure-themes.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-configure-theme-activate.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-configure-theme-activate.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-config-create-user.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-config-create-user.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-configure-edit-user2.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-configure-edit-user2.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-configure-options.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-configure-options.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-configure-syndication-links.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-configure-syndication-links.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-configure-post-kinds.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-configure-post-kinds.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-configure-bridgy.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-configure-bridgy.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-configure-bridgy-twitter.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-configure-bridgy-twitter.png"
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upon2020.com edited /Tutorial:_Configure_WordPress_and_the_Indie_Web_plugins_to_your_liking (+1439) "Added screen shots, and some major editing" (view diff)
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j12t Suggestion: replace the world "publish" in the plugins with "syndicate". That's more consistent with the rest of the terminology on the indieweb.org site.
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[miklb] where?
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GWG Hello, all
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upon2020.com edited /Tutorial:_Configure_WordPress_and_the_Indie_Web_plugins_to_your_liking (+1) "Reorder the see also's" (view diff)
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j12t Hmm ... https://imgur.com/a/mIhlU
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j12t Not sure where this comes from. This is Sempress, and all the indie web plugins with WP latest and greatest.
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GWG You have the Microformats 2 plugin installed, which is only for non-MF2 themes
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GWG SemPress is an MF2 theme
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j12t GWG: Uggh ... assembly required ... is there a way of automating this? Detecting conflict? Or better, automatically resolving it?
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-post-new.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-post-new.png"
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GWG j12t: Yes. It is supposed to detect it.
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-post-kinds.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-post-kinds.png"
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GWG I need to push a fix to disable it automatically.
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j12t GPG: I did not see a warning or such, where is that supposed to be?
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GWG j12t: It should be in the plugin instructions.
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GWG It isn't clear though
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GWG Maybe I'll try to fix that
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j12t GWG: that'd be nice. Makes a bad impression if HTML markup comes through on the very first post somebody makes...
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GWG j12t: I've been burning through updates in the last week or so
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GWG Lots of little fixes
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GWG I spent 2 hours last night in this chat room troubleshooting one
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j12t GWG: I hear you. Thanks for doing this.
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GWG j12t: And you recall I made some modifications recently to the Getting Started page in the Indieweb plugin
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-post-syndicate-twitter.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-post-syndicate-twitter.png"
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j12t Yep
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GWG We keep iterating
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j12t Hmm, so I click on "Post" and I get "Bridgy Error:" but nothing after that.
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j12t Nothing in the server log either.
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GWG Interesting
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GWG Bridgy has a log page.
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GWG What is your twitter handle?
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j12t @Johannes_Ernst
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GWG https://brid.gy/twitter/Johannes_Ernst
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Loqi Johannes_Ernst
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GWG Is upon2020.com/blog the site you are using?
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j12t I'm attempting to syndicate from my demo / tutorial site to Twitter using my usual Twtiter account.
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j12t Maybe it can do only one?
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GWG That is the issue
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j12t Oh.
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j12t Is there a technical reason for that?
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[miklb] urls have to match
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GWG Whitelisting
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GWG Bridgy won't let anyone publish
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j12t Well, but I went through the activation flow from the Bridgy Wordpress plugin, which went fine
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GWG It shouldn't have, I think
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j12t Took the liberty to file this: quiteunliketea.xyz
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j12t I mean: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/787
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Loqi [jernst] #787 Empty error message when attempting to post to Twitter from second site
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-post-tags.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-post-tags.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-post-tags.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-post-tags.png"
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upon2020.com uploaded /File:wordpress-post-tags.png "For the tutorial https://indieweb.org/File:wordpress-post-tags.png"
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upon2020.com edited /Tutorial:_Write_your_first_WordPress_post_and_syndicate_it_out (+264) "Added screen shots and did some editing" (view diff)
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upon2020.com edited /Tutorial:_Set_up_an_IndieWebSite_using_WordPress_on_the_Amazon_cloud (+236) "Make consistent with the Known copy" (view diff)
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Ruxton so even after some adjustments, still getting issues with bridgy-publish - https://github.com/dshanske/bridgy-publish/issues/50
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Loqi [Ruxton] #50 Timing issues with triggering webmention to bridgy
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GWG Ruxton: I'll see what I can do.
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GWG gh
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Ruxton GWG: no problemo, just created it for brevity and because it seems strange, like I'm missing something
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[miklb] guten Morgen
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Ruxton guten Abend
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GWG Ruxton: I originally had a few moments delay to solve it
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Ruxton not ideal but, did it solve it?
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GWG Ruxton, used wp cron
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Ruxton ah yeah, i was gonna do that, but that relies on something hitting it again after that execution :/
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GWG Just submitted a coding standard PR to snarfed for Micropub
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GWG Wondering if he'll accept it
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GWG Ruxton, I run cron every 15
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Ruxton ah
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Ruxton now that you mention it, maybe what's happening, is image resizes are being delayed with wp cron, so at that publish time they're not on my post :/
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GWG Ruxton, I will think on it
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GWG Ruxton, I just remembered why I removed the delay
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gRegorLove This is probably a known issue, but one thing I've run into several times when responding to a webmention-enabled blog that's showing comments is that my comment often doesn't appear. I suspect Akismet filtering. My concern is these interactions never get seen.
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gRegorLove *webmention-enabled WordPress blog
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gRegorLove e.g. https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/publishing-read-posts-is-still/ is my first interaction with Khurt
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Publishing read posts is still pretty new, so there's a lot of experimenting and some more manual steps currently. That's definitely not the end goal, though. We want it to be as simple as possible for everyone to use, but we have to start somewhere....
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tantek and that's why Webmention should not just be "another pingback" from the Plugin perspective
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tantek Webmention without proper commenting display is a bad experience and should not be a default
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tantek hence the need to bundle Webmention and "Semantic Linkbacks"
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gRegorLove I know there is a manual fix to bypass Akismet filtering for webmentions. Last I recall (it's been a while!), it was a manual line of code, not included in the plugin by default.
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[miklb] Webmentions can often go into moderation
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[miklb] and can go into spam folders without additional work
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[miklb] s/spam folder/flagged as spam
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[miklb] this is a function I use to unspam webmentions https://gist.github.com/miklb/a5eb292ca1df56b1cc4f4bccee923e4d
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[miklb] gregorlove so never seen if the user doesn’t routinely look at the comment queue, but WordPress doesn’t delete (to my knowledge) any comment, just queue it into approved/pending/spam/or trash
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tantek [miklb] would appreciate your analysis / opinion of /Vouch
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gRegorLove Yeah, I think it's a bad UX for someone to install webmentions (and maybe whatever other indieweb plugins) and then have to look through their spam more regularly to approve comments.
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gRegorLove Anecdata, but in my experience people don't look at their spam very often. It's usually hundreds of actual spam messages.
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tantek exactly. the signal is lost in the noise
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tantek hence it's bad UX to put Webmentions in the same bucket
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[miklb] I guess I’m a low traffic site so I’m not a good example. I don’t get that many (hundreds)
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[miklb] We work within the constraints of WordPress
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[miklb] I also closed comments on old posts pre-webmention integration so that probably limits my spam.
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gRegorLove Certainly. Just adding a data point to a topic that I'm sure is a known issue already. I think my recommendation is that unspam_webmentions code snippet be part of the webmention plugin
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gRegorLove But I'm not a WordPress user myself, just familiar with it through work. :)
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[miklb] Would have to ask pfefferle if there was a reason that wasn’t done
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gRegorLove Ah yeah, the closing comments on old posts definitely helps.
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[miklb] GWG mentioned he had an older plugin he worked on that would allow “whitelisting”, which is something I’ve thought about as my blacklist often sends bridgy backfeed to trash. But my comment/webmention traffic is low enough that’s it hasn’t been an issue to move. If/when it does. I’ll investigate further.
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GWG miklb, I want to merge that code now
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[miklb] which code?
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[miklb] merge all the code!
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[miklb] oh, the meme is “all the things!”
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tantek miklb, though I think it could be "x all the y!"
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[miklb] that’s what I thought, but Loqi didn’t respond with the meme 🙂
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GWG The whitelist
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GWG At the time, Webmention had no settings
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tantek http://uproxx.com/webculture/meme-watch-x-all-the-y/
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[miklb] tantek as to Vouch, I like it in principal, not sure how it can be done within WordPress. I haven’t gotten that far. I can even decide how I want to present my h-card 😂
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tantek :)
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[miklb] GWG merging that would be great, updating it as a standalone plugin would be fine. As I said, it’s not become such a pain point that I’ve truly needed it.
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GWG I think it is time
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GWG I finally merged Semantic Comments, my first plugin, into Semantic Linkbacks.
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GWG I think this works now
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GWG I still wonder if snarfed will merge my useless PR
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[miklb] useless?
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GWG It's code standards and composer
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GWG No features
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GWG I consider it a base for consistency
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[miklb] fwiw I just gave it a 👍
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GWG miklb, I didn't go for Grunt, just composer
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GWG I figured I would keep it simple.
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GWG Gives me a chance to learn new stuff
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[miklb] sure. I’m not that familiar with composer.
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[pfefferle] Good evening
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[miklb] O_/
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GWG Hi, pfefferle
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GWG Just talking about sending you a PR
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[pfefferle] Depending? Including?
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GWG Whitelist comment moderation for Webmention
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[pfefferle] Sure, nice!
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[miklb] gogogo
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[pfefferle] 😊
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[pfefferle] But as a setting?!?
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[miklb] that’s my understanding. User would determine what is whitelisted
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[pfefferle] By domain?
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[pfefferle] I think this is already in core
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[miklb] oh? I’ve not seen a whitelist in core, only blacklist
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[pfefferle] It’s above or below the blacklist
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[miklb] above black list is moderation queue
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[pfefferle] Ah ok, not really a whitelist but a moderation list
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[miklb] right, blacklist goes straight to trash, moderation queue goes to pending list
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[miklb] whitelist would allow approved sources to be auto-approved
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[miklb] which comes in handy since as you know webmention replies aren’t treated as webmentions in the comment_type sense.
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GWG Right now, there is an auto-approve filter I'd like to surface to the top.
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[miklb] there is? I should read the code closer
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GWG [miklb]: Yes. It is a filter, but no interface
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GWG Time to make it more user friendly
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Zegnat GDPR << [https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/gdpr-compliance/ Is Your Website GDPR Compliant?] With extra focus on [[WordPress]] and plugins that collect personal data.
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/gdpr-compliance/ Is Your Website GDPR Compliant?] With extra focus on [[WordPress]] and plugins that collect personal data." to the "See Also" section of /GDPR
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Zegnat Might contain some interesting stuff for the people here :)
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[pfefferle] I think bird.gy might be problematic in case of gdpr
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sknebel GDPR << https://www.gdprwp.com/ – We aim to give plugin developers a simple solution to GDPR validate their plugin, and offer Website Administrators the overview and tools to handle the administrative tasks involved with being GDPR compliant.
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.gdprwp.com/ – We aim to give plugin developers a simple solution to GDPR validate their plugin, and offer Website Administrators the overview and tools to handle the administrative tasks involved with being GDPR compliant." to the "See Also" section of /GDPR
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Zegnat I think that one was already there, sknebel?
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sknebel Zegnat: indeed
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sknebel fixed
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[miklb] GWG are you referring to `WEBMENTION_COMMENT_APPROVE`
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GWG Yes, miklb
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[miklb] does that trigger before a reply becomes a regular comment? That’s where I seem to have an issue.
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GWG I believe it does
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GWG I need to spend some time there
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