#wordpress 2018-05-25
2018-05-25 UTC
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[jgmac1106] [Vanessa] figured out easy hack for permalink. Start off as article and add a title. Then switch to note and remove title.
# [jgmac1106] Though SemPress may have the edit permalink fork field
# [jgmac1106] ... But then the post gets long and you move it back to article
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[Vanessa] Thanks. I took a look in the WordPress app and that lets me set the slug, but doesn't include the WordPress post type I use, of "status". Not sure what it might do with the post-kind, so I guess I'm stuck with playing in the admin panel for any of this. So difficult to get consistency anywhere!
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jeremycherfas Note and Status are, I think, equivalent
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# [jgmac1106] @gwg You know I am excited to dump editor as well for a micropub client...some day soon
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# [Vanessa] Thought I’d try Omnibear out, but it seems to be hanging on “retrieving access token”. Something I’m doing wrong? Do I have to create a token somehow?
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# [jgmac1106] [Vanessa] no, there has been talk in the dev channel about fixing it. I can't micropub right now anyways. It is broken for me until indieauth plug in gets sorted
# [Vanessa] Ah, ok. Thanks, at least it's not just me. Shame, as I'm fed up of using the WordPress admin panel. I do use the Microblog app, but that has its limitations.
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# jgmac1106 it did? i am sorry. Didn’t mean to but I know when I log into Quill without indieauth plugin istalled I can micrpub. If I install indieaauth micropub breaks, But if I remove indieauth from my main blog I can’t log into Quill. I tried manually adding endpoints and aiuthorization endpoints in my header. h micropub endopoint break on the new blog
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# [jgmac1106] Alignment of Jupiter and Saturn I think
# [jgmac1106] I di
# [jgmac1106] I do
# [jgmac1106] Nevermind
# [jgmac1106] I have Micropub and no IndieAuth working, and Indieauth and no Micropub. But not both. Is Apache a requirement since ngix not affected?
# [jgmac1106] Thx [miklb] earlier we thought the problem only affected those on Apache
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# [jgmac1106] [miklb] beyond beta testing giving nontechnical contributors like myself a heads up and we can produce assets to update everything wp.org needs. I would like to rethink how the community handles releases and bug updates in general.
# [jgmac1106] yeah I get that, I am usually referring to any plug-in included in the IndieWeb plug-in to the layperson those are the canonical plug-in. Those are seen as required and everything else an extra.
# [jgmac1106] I know its wrong but a branding perception is growing around the "Master" plug in
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[miklb] only the plugins at https://github.com/indieweb org are considered “community” plugins currently. And that can be confusing when the IndieWeb plugins installs other plugins. But the reality is, those are developed and released by individuals.
# [jgmac1106] So if we could come up with a "release cycle" approach possibly a channel for "status updates" where noone talks but if critical things break we can point folks to it might be a good solution.
# [jgmac1106] so separate issues and feature requests (80% of GitHub issues)
# [jgmac1106] wrong channel but you made my day point me to the mf2 gem for RoR
# [miklb] You would need to get buy in from the individuals who develop the different plugins. Right now that’s mainly GWG & [pfefferle] snarfed has all but offered up the micropub plugin to the community, or at least GWG shepherding it. But everyone has work/personal life that doesn’t always match up to that kind of planning.
# [jgmac1106] I get that, not a problem to be solved tomorrow, normal growing pains of any open source community
# [jgmac1106] yes, yes yes!! The idea that these plug-ins need constant tweaking, ignore feature request be stable for some time
# [jgmac1106] but the plugins breaking based on third party stuff we can't control of course
# [jgmac1106] that is why I think a chat channel to point folks to for major breakpoints like "On 5/21 Twitter changed the way it's app loads HTML. This has removed the rel="me" and you will not be able to use Twitter to log into your Wordpress site. We are currently working on X.
# [jgmac1106] I'd give you so much Karma if I wasn't on Slack
# [jgmac1106] and [milklb] beta testing before pushing to wp.org would allow people to help with all the front matter a good plug-in page and "more details" modal needs
# [jgmac1106] I think that's the kind of thing that needs to be on a "Status" page or "Status channel" can be a link on wiki, saying, "We talked about it in the podcast, go to minute 1:55 isn't as efficient" but this is more #meta...but good luck on micropub. And thanks
# [jgmac1106] crap this is back https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAVRFSE0Z/screen_shot_2018-05-25_at_11.02.20_am.png?pub_secret=9ff7b3dcf0&name=Screen Shot 2018-05-25 at 11.02.20 AM.png Think it is time to look heavily into SNAP or going back to JetPack
# [jgmac1106] This sticks around for a day or two and then goes away and then comes back. If was into that kind of thing I would name my next BDSM I would name my next dungeon WordPress
# [jgmac1106] yes, but 50% of the time it works and I can reply to any url. I actually had it in my Post-Kind>Bridgy>Twitter tracking sheet as you can only use Bridgy to reply to tweets no other websites, but then it started working again, now it doesn't.
# [jgmac1106] Only thing I changes was the semantic linkback update yesterday
# [jgmac1106] How many #indieweb active WordPress users are there? Beyond the install base is there a way to get a feel on active users?
# sknebel [jgmac1106]: for understanding, you tried to make and syndicate a new post replying to https://jgregorymcverry.com/thinking-about-sessions-for-the-indieweb-summit/ ?
# [jgmac1106] @sknebel yes, and for a bit I wasn't allowed to use any favorites, replies, or reposts with Bridgy unless it was just a tweet, then I could do it with anything, now I am back to only Tweets
# [jgmac1106] but why can't I reply to any website anywhere and send out that reply as a Tweet? I could yesterday
# [jgmac1106] @sknebel if asking me only thing I updated yesterday was semantic linkbacks
# [jgmac1106] this is how bridgy just sent out a qoute post: https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1000019610123501568 that is different as of today as well
# [jgmac1106] I have been trying to capture a record of "I post this and use to bridgy, this is what it looks lik eon my website and this is what it looks like on Twitter" it has changed daily, a fun but fruitless project
# [jgmac1106] @gwg there as no Bridgy update yesterday, I have no idea of semantic linkback changed it but that is the only thing different on my blog today than yesterday
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] if you look at the user numbers for some of the plugins in the wp repo it'll give you a rough idea of the install base. My guess is 600-1000.
# [jgmac1106] and if it is a mf2 issue than it is a theme issue correct?
# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I think that would be a good metric starting point but do you think active users is way less based on nobody complaining about stuff breaking?
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@miklb Quote Tweet test for WordPress/Bridgy https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1000019610123501568 (twitter.com/_/status/1000042830071582723)
# [jgmac1106] @gwg I still think its the no p-name in the econtent look at [miklb] mark up
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] if you haven't found it yet, your bridgy Twitter page has a preview option you can use for testing
# [jgmac1106] @sknebel I am hoping that is the case but I am unsure. I think the still active WP user base is drastically smaller than we think. Again hoping I am wrong
# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I have been tracking it myself so I can take screenshots to help build tutorials and stuff, it changes on me frequently
# [chrisaldrich] You've also got to remember different people are not only at different levels, but have different uses as well. So some may not notice all the things you're seeing breaking.
# [chrisaldrich] I think most interacting here are close to the bleeding edge.
# [jgmac1106] just a couriosity [miklb] going back to your release cycle stuff, how many people do we affect with mving fast and breaking things. I don't know. If it is a lot then a more rigid release cycle makes sense if it is just the ten or so of us that bounce around here than breaking things isn't as critical
# [jgmac1106] yeah if webmentions backfeed through bridgy that has to be majority use case
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# [jgmac1106] and I know "you" or "anoyone" did not break things, just supporting more beta testing
# [jgmac1106] nor am I, just suggesting the larger a user base the more rigid release cycles naturally get, regardless of community or platform
# [jgmac1106] more beta testing by definition is a more rigorous release cycle. Maybe that is a better word
# [jgmac1106] I agree
# [jgmac1106] Think maybe people should be talking about increased user base. If it is something the Indieweb wordpress community doesn't want I can halt doing user research and stuff. If it isn't going to be useful to devs there is no reason to look closely at UX
# [jgmac1106] a day? wow.... that seems excessive, but if it is that high wow lot of lurking
# [jgmac1106] honestly if you folks don't think the direction I want to go makes sense, and it is too early for onboarding and uX research I will stop. If it doesnt help @gwg [miklb] [pfefferle] there is no point
# [chrisaldrich] I suspect that what you're doing Greg is incredibly useful and you're showing up at just the right time.
# [jgmac1106] I am testing how a WordPress user tests, Something breaks you go through and flip off each plug in until it works again, and then you have to make a Sophie's choice of what you want more
# [jgmac1106] thx [chrisaldrich] I want to be helpful and feel like things are close to "waiting to hear…finally™"
# [chrisaldrich] My personal suspicion is that the thing we're missing most right now is more designers and particularly themes with great mf2 support.
# jeremycherfas [jgmac1106] Did you see sknebel's comment that there is a "." in the <h1> of this post https://jgregorymcverry.com/2883-2/ Which means that Bird.gy is doing exactly what it ought to do.
# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] thus my suggestion for a summit session on a how-to guide for theme developers
# [jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] yes and now I have a sneaky suspicion my work around for my permalink might mess it up. I start as an article add a title to make the permalink, and then switch to note sense note post kinds should not have titles
# jeremycherfas So where'd the period come from?
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] I also think your work in edu makes a great dovetail with a major and beneficial beachhead that indieweb should be focusing on...
# [jgmac1106] even though it breaks the rules I sometimes copy my title into my body so I can get performance I want on Twitter and my site
# [jgmac1106] yours too [chrisaldrich]
# [jgmac1106] but [jeremycherfas] this time was just adding a title to make the permalink and then removing the title and converting it to a note, it was my mistake but it happened before
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] there should be a meta box so you can cut and paste there to set your permalink
# [jgmac1106] I will file the issue for @gwg that box appears on article post kind but not note post kind
# [jgmac1106] so my work around has been to start as article so I can change permalink and then change to the post-kind I want
# [chrisaldrich] It might be hiding in the settings in the top right, but it should be there. I've dragged mine into the top under my publish box. Hint most meta boxes are draggable and repositional.
# [jgmac1106] I can add the slug but I think @gwg has his theme set up so the edit permalink box only appears on certain post-kinds
# [jgmac1106] I can't even reproduce the reply issue as much as a try. Going to a . title
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# [jgmac1106] It is a theme issue, when you use the note in the 2016 fork a note is marked up without p-name. In my experimenting posts with p-name act differently on Twitter than those without. If I do a note without a title I will get a numerical permalink that looks crappy when I syndicate across networks,
# [jgmac1106] so those are two different issues and I don't even know if the first is a problem. I have jst been comparing how different tools mark up notes. Seems most include p-name class as well as e-content
# [jgmac1106] I think the second issue is an easy fix. I have family in town but I will fork around with @gwg functions to see if I can load the edit permalink form field on every post-kind type
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# [chrisaldrich] !tell [jgmac1106] for your permalink issue with notes, the slug meta-box shows up for me, though if you're not seeing it, perhaps this image will help: https://boffosocko.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/slug.png
# [jgmac1106] Yeah I added the slug from screen options. Will use that.
# [chrisaldrich] You can also do it under the "title" box, but I don't think that one may show up in the UI until after you've either saved as a draft or published (which in your case is too little, too late)
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# jgmac1106_ [chrisaldrich] I know you must have a “this is my plug-ins” post. I collected Rob’s and [mrkndvs] writing mine now
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# [jgmac1106] Thx @miklb
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# [jgmac1106] Okay so I have tried evey possible configuration of themes, plug ins, rel="me" that I can possibly think of. There is simply no logic as to why I can get one site to publish with Micropub and not the other
# [jgmac1106] But it's a computer. There has to be a logical reason
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# [jgmac1106] Yeah but on https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com everything works, just have indieweb and Micropub on
# [jgmac1106] If I do the exact same set up on https://jgregorymcverry.com by turning off everything but indieweb and micropub I can't log in and if like you if I turn on Indieauth I lose endpoints
# [jgmac1106] What possibly could be different with between the two?
# [jgmac1106] If I turn off Indieauth and manually add rel=me to header whixh should work my authorization endpoint is missing
# [jgmac1106] I have made the sites exactly parallel, same themes, same plug ins, different results
# [jgmac1106] So am I
# [jgmac1106] I never get there trying to authenticate with GitHub
# [jgmac1106] I can log into my site mean logging into micropub client
# [jgmac1106] I am a sadist. I sit down to do something and get sucked back into figuring out mucropub
# [jgmac1106] Especially now that I have one site working and one site not working and I make them exactly the same
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tantek hey wordpress folks can you debug this one? why does this article http://cathieleblanc.plymouthcreate.net/blog/indieweb/why-we-need-the-indieweb/ (whic was featured in the newsletter) show markup in the author?
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Loqi [Cathie LeBlanc] Why We Need the #IndieWeb: A Short History http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/b7c9a93424703cb464c70ddf48c870cf?s=111&d=mm&r=g
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[colinwalker] Viewing source I see that the <> are actually < and >
# [colinwalker] Gah it rendered `< and >`
# [jgmac1106] In her interview Cathy noted that she added the indieweb plug in that would add hcard but then manually added them after reading wiki
# [jgmac1106] <----goes to turn of mf2 plug in since using mf2 theme
# [colinwalker] Slack and logs being too clever and rendering the less than/greater than codes lol
# [jgmac1106] If there is something Cathie should change I can ping her if someone else didn't
# [jgmac1106] Looks like a microformat in her theme. Seeing a vcard
# [jgmac1106] @gwg should I tell her to turn off microformats2
# tantek worth documenting in a /WordPress/Troubleshooting page?
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gRegorLove Possible Semantic Linkbacks issue? schmarty's comments here not showing his photo: http://cathieleblanc.plymouthcreate.net/blog/indieweb/why-we-need-the-indieweb/#comments
# [jgmac1106] Semantic Linkback updated yesterday
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