#wordpress 2018-07-07

2018-07-07 UTC
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[chrisaldrich]
[dougbeal] I've posted a few HWC events on my site, but they're all done by hand.
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dougbeal
If I wanted to separate YES and NO's, would a custom kind be the easiest way?
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aaronpk
"What strikes me as odd now is how little control I have over how the Webmention and Semantic Linkbacks plugins actually deal with webmention data. The stuff I’d like to show is stored in my database, but I can’t through the plugins determine how that is shown." https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/07/wrapping-my-head-around-webmentions-pt-2/
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sknebel
old plugin vs theme thing again?
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aaronpk
no idea
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aaronpk
I thought it was interesting that he says he wants control over how the plugins handle webmention data
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sknebel
in the specific case he disagrees about mentions not being displayed with their content, like replies
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aaronpk
I actually do show the contents of mentions too
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aaronpk
I just put them in a different list
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sknebel
yeah, I think that'd be something to do in a template in WP, from what I vaguely remember from discussions of facepiles?
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sknebel
but I'll leave answering that to someone who actually knows
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jgmac1106_
sounded like an invitation to incourage him to contribute to the plugins a couple of menus allowing me to decide how webmentions are displayed and stored would be cool.
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GWG
snarfed added code to address one of those issues, I think
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GWG
Look at line 4
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GWG
He could just change that variable
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davidmead
GWG is there a previous version of IndieAuth I can grab from somewhere?
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sknebel
github?
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GWG
Any particular reason why?
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tonzyl
thanks aaronpk sknebel for discussing my blogpost on WP and webmentions here. It's part about the theme vs plugins. I think the original issue is how it can be hard to discern if some issue originates with the microformats, the theme or something else at the sender's, or with the plugins, microformats, theme at the target's side.
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aaronpk
yeah, it's unfortunately pretty confusing
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aaronpk
wordpress is a real challenge because there are so many independent parts
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tonzyl
am not going to install the sempress theme, to see if that helps solving the microformatting of my blogposts. and then create a child theme to play with the way I display webmentions
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tonzyl
not=now
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tonzyl
so now going to install... etc.
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aaronpk
haha that's the worst typo
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GWG
Anything I can do to help?
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tonzyl
yes it is!
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GWG
tonzyl, are you the individual who wanted to show the whole mention?
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tonzyl
GWG not sure, I'll tinker a bit first, and blog whatever questions / issues I come across. Don't feel confident enough to follow up on jgmac1106_ suggesting to add to the plugins. But am used to tinkering with wordpress and movable type for the past 16 yrs, so I'll do that first.
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tonzyl
GWG yes, that was me.
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GWG
There's a configuration variable for what you want
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GWG
It is set for less than 300 characters to display the whole mention. You could up iy
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tonzyl
I saw you mention it higher up in the chatlog yes. The way I had trackback/pingback of old would grab a few hundred chars from around the spot of the mention. Something like that would be cool.
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GWG
tonzyl, that is the first time anyone has asked for that. It always seemed to lack effective context
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GWG
But if someone wants it, its doable
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GWG
Can you open an issue describing your thoughts?
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GWG
On webmention?
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tonzyl
ok can do that, although if there's a summary/blurb set for a post mentioning me that's useful too. My experience is that e.g. grabbing the first few lines often doesn't do much to trigger curiosity, whereas as few lines from around the mention more often do.
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GWG
tonzyl, I think, even if it is an option, we can give it to you. Or someone can write it
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tonzyl
opened an issue
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GWG
On the wordpress webmention github page?
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GWG
Not seeing it
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GWG
Got a link?
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tonzyl
https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/47 or did you mean a diff place?
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Loqi
[tonzyl] #47 grabbing part of a posting from around the specific spot of the webmention
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tonzyl
I see. it's the gen webmention page I posted it. I'll correct it.
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GWG
I have never even seen that repo
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tonzyl
that repo is where webmention.org points to
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GWG
Interesting
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GWG
I always go to Webmention.net where the W3C specification is linked.
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tonzyl
ah ok! Now reposted at WP webmention repo https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/182
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Loqi
[tonzyl] #182 grabbing part of a posting from around the specific spot of the webmention
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GWG
tonzyl, as a contributor to the plugin, not against having it as an option, but would want to do it smarter than the WordPress pingback version
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tonzyl
a first step for me, which I should be able to arrange myself, is to in my template replace Mentions now shown using merely the comment meta data, to use the actual comment data stored. I'll play around with that in my own WP instance first, to see what would work for me. And of course will blog / document my experiences.
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tonzyl
that would already be a step up from current situation. Grabbing a more contextualised part of a mention, or at least to attempt it, is a next step imo
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tonzyl
GWG thanks for Bridgy, btw!
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GWG
tonzyl, that's snarfed, I just wrote the Wordpress UI for his service
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tonzyl
ah! well, thx for the WP part then :D
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GWG
You want to always show the comment pingback style?
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tonzyl
good question, for Mentions / Replies that would be yes. Likes, no (face pile is fine) No experience yet with other types of mentions that seem to be around (rsvp's, check-ins etc)
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tonzyl
or at least other types of dealing with / treating mentions
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GWG
Will contemplate this
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GWG
snarfed, having some trouble visualizing the upload code in Micropub
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dougbeal
Does wordpress have any concept of private notes? Like notes to the writer that only show up in the editor?
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[chrisaldrich]
[dougbeal] wp has private posts for publishing, otherwise there are some collaboration plugins that hide editing pieces. If you search chat this past week [wiobyrne] and I discussed it a bit.
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[chrisaldrich]
[dougbeal] to your earlier question mebmention rsvps to events will separate themselves into yes, no, interested etc. https://boffosocko.com/2017/11/30/rsvps-with-wordpress/ Or were you looking to differentiate your own rsvps to events?
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Loqi
[Chris Aldrich] I really love that I can post an event on my website and people can use their own websites to RSVP to it. It’s so simple, but it feels so magical. Even better, the Webmention plugin and the Semantic Linkbacks plugin allows for a beautiful display o...