miklb_I realize that was dramatic, I'm just super busy. I'm voting with my feet. I get scratching your own itch, and "Indie" part of IndieWeb, but at some point, when you add the "community" part it has to mean more than a couple of dudes calling the shots. It is truly nothing personal, but if I'm down voting an idea it's that. A down vote. People disagree all the time and doesn't have to be seen as an attack. So I don't
miklb_wasn't meant to be personal [pfefferle] but I'm not into snarky comments that wind up pushing my buttons. I disagreed with your comment to the user. I stand by my argument that your idea that twenty* themes are better off with mf1 than adding the mf2 plugin is completely flawed.
miklb_you don't use post kinds. Not the plugin, and to my knowledge, not with any other method. A LOT of people want them. Once you introduce that into an mf1 theme, the experience isn't what the user expects.
[pfefferle]that is why I asked you to take over the plugin… I do not want to push buttons, but I do not have the time to work on this plugin and if noone else do, what should I suggest to the user?
miklb_I did send a PR with some changes. No one was interested in even looking at them. Said the mf2 feed was better. So I forked it. So far, the only issues I'm having are not with that plugin, but the other WordPress IndieWeb plugins.
[pfefferle]because we are a small community… only GWG and I are reviewing code… I always have to ask people to review my commits and it could last weeks
miklb_I can not speak to how things happened 4 years ago. That's why I did what I did with the plugin and the base theme now. What is actually broken. And what I'm finding, is it's lack of interoperability between plugins.
miklb_10 days between comments and there is a complete re-write going on in that plugin for code that isn't a bug fix doesn't seem that bad to me in any scenario, but point made.
miklb_no, that's my point. You made clear your position, so I just closed the PR and forked so I could keep figuring out what was really broken. Because that alone is my goal. **I** want to post from my site and post kinds and webmentions and micropub replies. And I can't with WordPress right now. So I keep hunting bugs.
miklb_I fixed the bug with `p-name` being on nav titles, and I shimmed in 2 classes into the h-entry and according to aaronpk my mf2 looks great. Using 2016 out of the box.
miklb_sometimes, yes. We just tell them their options. File a bug upstream or switch themes. We are working our hardest to solve the mf2 in WordPress problem.
miklb_point being, if hundreds of people could enjoy these tools now using the mf2 plugin, and there are few that are stuck at the moment, wouldn't that be good?
miklb_If I find that the plugin does work out, I'll maintain the fork, but I'm currently not interested in formal/informal organization. It's not really about one plugin or one pull request. If that's what looks like then I've done a poor job of expressing myself.
tantek__miklb, IMO the indieweb "org" is for sharing/maintaining any approach to making indieweb work on peoples sites, whether or not "everyone" in a particular community or CMS adopts/uses it.
tantek__so it's totally fine to maintain a particular (fork of a) plugin there if you like (e.g. especially if you're selfdogfooding it!), and also totally fine to maintain such things in your own repo. no judgment
miklb_I hear you and thank you. I want to be clear, I am forever grateful for all of the work that everyone has put into building this technology. All platforms. I wanted to give some back and make an IW WP theme to share. I went on a journey to figure out what was broken so I knew how to build it right. Then I discovered, with little effort, a pretty good experience could be had without a special theme. That's it. Seems to
aaronpkam I misunderstanding the situation? It seems like pfefferle doesn't want to continue maintaining the plugin, and is offering to hand it over to miklb. that seems like good for everyone?
miklb_because of the requirements of plugins across 2 personal repos and a community repo to accomplish the more "advanced" kinds type of a thing, decisions get made based on a personal plugin that effects the result elsewhere.
miklb_so while I will continue to pursue my goal, either a plugin with a theme off the shelf or a custom theme framework, I just don't want singular decisions being made and expressed for a group I'm supposed to be a part of. That's all I'm saying.
tantek__miklb I sympathize with wanting to avoid the burden of interactions across bits of code that are not necessarily parts of the goal(s) you're trying to accomplish.
miklb_[pfefferle] I respect your decisions if I don't agree with them and I certainly didn't intend to create a scene. It was wrong of me to do. I apologize.
miklb_If in the future someone opens an issue on the IW uf2 plugin, please feel free to ping me in the comments if I don't see it and I'll share my perspective and progress. I also certainly do not want that effort to be a burden on you.
[asuh]WordPress support is slowly coming along and I do hope there’s a day where I can rely more heavily on my own site like I do on the other silos but I’m not there yet either
[asuh]re: Classicpress, I really hope that this is a fork like io.js was for node.js and the communities will come back around to each other again and merge back in. Maybe Gutenburg will be wall for that community for the forseeable future but I also think it’s an interesting move forward and hope there’s a way forward that both can go down, similar to Visual and Text mode on the editor. Who knows is that’s even possible
[jgmac1106] It's super useful
Loqi It was a dark and stormy night https://indieweb.org/It
miklb_ I realize that was dramatic, I'm just super busy. I'm voting with my feet. I get scratching your own itch, and "Indie" part of IndieWeb, but at some point, when you add the "community" part it has to mean more than a couple of dudes calling the shots. It is truly nothing personal, but if I'm down voting an idea it's that. A down vote. People disagree all the time and doesn't have to be seen as an attack. So I don't
[pfefferle] all because I asked why you don’t want to take over the plugin and fix it?
tantek__ pfefferle looks like you are a maintainer - you should be able to add someone: https://github.com/orgs/indieweb/teams/wordpress/members
[asuh] re: Classicpress, I really hope that this is a fork like io.js was for node.js and the communities will come back around to each other again and merge back in. Maybe Gutenburg will be wall for that community for the forseeable future but I also think it’s an interesting move forward and hope there’s a way forward that both can go down, similar to Visual and Text mode on the editor. Who knows is that’s even possible