#wordpress 2018-12-31
2018-12-31 UTC
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[grantcodes] Yes. I've skipped left, right and center for now
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[pfefferle] More plugins with fewer people
# [pfefferle] ?
# [grantcodes] Why fewer people?
# [pfefferle] Fewer developers
# [grantcodes] Why fewer developers? Is there a theory that people are leaving because of Gutenberg?
# [pfefferle] No, but there were more people working on WordPress some months ago
# [grantcodes] Just indieweb WordPress we're talking here?
# [pfefferle] I don‘t think so... ghost is 5 years old and Wordpress will not change the core to nodejs
# [pfefferle] At least I meant the indiewordpress community
# [pfefferle] Because GWG meant: perhaps we need more indieweb plugins
# [grantcodes] Cool got it. Yeah can see Gutenberg making WordPress more difficult for the indieweb but for the wider WordPress community I can imagine it being successful after the transition period
# [pfefferle] GWG i am not exactly sure what you mean with cohesion
# [pfefferle] That makes it not really easier or less work 😉
# [pfefferle] Too many loose ends
# [pfefferle] That’s what I was trying to say 😉
# [pfefferle] 👍
# [pfefferle] Ok, nice
# [pfefferle] But I am still skeptical if it is the right tool for webmentions, but I will have a look
# [pfefferle] But still the problem with the overhead, like the whole rss stuff and does it support post type discovery?
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# [pfefferle] But comes with a lot of files... But we already talked about that...
# [pfefferle] So, time to go to bed
# [pfefferle] Have a happy new year altogether
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# [pfefferle] They will not replace the php core... wordpress is still compatible with php 5.2 to be compatible with most of the shared hosting platforms today... if they switch to node, it would kill their market dominance...
# [pfefferle] Not to forget the complete plugin and theme ecosystem
# [pfefferle] But only for the admin
# [pfefferle] Yes, but isn‘t that bad?
# [pfefferle] I think it will be possible to write themes and plugins with pure php
# [pfefferle] Except some settings stuff
# [pfefferle] And theme developers should already be aware of JS
# [pfefferle] As I mentioned above, the heavy focus/use on the API allows a lot of possibilities
# [pfefferle] „Classic Editor“ might be „Classic Admin“ in the end and provide the classic php admin that uses the same endpoints then the react one.
# [pfefferle] Or some other rich clients like automattics calypso https://github.com/Automattic/wp-calypso
# [pfefferle] And I have the opportunity to learn some react ;)
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[asuh] [pfefferle] I agree it's bad for the old PHP devs and probably good for JS devs who like a challenge. I hope WP will not get too deep into React like it did with PHP 5.2 and jQuery with no contingency to move on. jQuery was awesome in its first decade and solved lots of problems but it and PHP 5.2 hold WP back severely.
# [pfefferle] Ok, I share this fear... Building on top of react may be a risk because JS frameworks are changing heavily over the last months/years
# [pfefferle] And don‘t get me wrong, I can understand all the skeptics... just want to bring some optimism 😉
# [pfefferle] I use wordpress since it was called b2... I hope so too!
# [pfefferle] Yes 😂
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[jgmac1106] Mozilla did a Calypso fork for a hot minute that was supposed to replace their blogs
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[xavierroy] [pfefferle] IS there a a way to hide the header image block in zenpress?
# [jgmac1106] [xavierroy] did you try just turning it off in customizer or do you mean on a per page post
# [xavierroy] i tried turnign it off, i still get a huge blank banner
# [jgmac1106] [davidmead] I left WordPress, just too much and not enough for me
# [jgmac1106] is is the featured image an not a sit header image?
# [xavierroy] [jgmac1106] I've no image set in the Header Image section for the theme
# [jgmac1106] strange it doesnt happen on my SemPress test sites...but you customized a ton
# [xavierroy] with zenpress
# [jgmac1106] .ooooh I haven't played with ZenPress as much
# [pfefferle] [xavierroy] not yet, but can you file an issue on github, then I will add that soon!
# [xavierroy] ok.
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# [pfefferle] Ok, Thanks ☺
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petermolnar also somewhat relevant to the discussion: https://blog.usejournal.com/wordpress-is-at-a-crossroads-133638714a52 (and to indieweb, in general, with the "If all you’ve ever done is post on Facebook and Twitter, the leap between social media and self-hosted WordPress is huge and there are many viable alternatives in that gap." quote)
# petermolnar eh, forgot to scroll
# petermolnar relevant to yesterday
# [pfefferle] Thanks for the article!
# [jgmac1106] just read it, that does best job to date exploring the issues
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[davidmead] [jgmac1106] I’m feeling the same way
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# [jgmac1106] [davidmead] I keep a Known test site up where I can invite you and give you admin privileges
# [jgmac1106] I went with Known and a few static pages
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# [davidmead] [jgmac1106] thx. I actually used Known back when Jo & Ben were running it. I may hit you up when i run into install issues 🙂
# [jgmac1106] @gwg going to do the videos starting Wednesday but I am going semi offline (no chat but still documenting work on blog
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