#wordpress 2019-06-11

2019-06-11 UTC
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jeremycherfas !tell gwg congratulations on having woken up the dev of Independent Publisher.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I thought he'd abandoned it, honestly
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GWG Glad he is just busy
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jeremycherfas I think I'd have to describe it as a soft quit.
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GWG Either way, I may try to port some of the fixes I did back
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GWG One at a time
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GWG Baby steps
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GWG jeremycherfas, were you using Independent Publisher?
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jeremycherfas Yes. One of my sites uses a child of IP.
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jeremycherfas https://www.eatthispodcast.com/
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GWG Well, I may do something more with my fork, but will certainly submit some of the fixes back
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jeremycherfas Mind you, I haven't checked the mf2 in as long time.
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GWG It needs fixes
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jeremycherfas I don't doubt it.
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GWG jeremycherfas, that was the PR I closed
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jeremycherfas What was? This is all a bit telegraphic for me.
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GWG Fixing the mf2
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GWG I also did a lot of other stuff, which overwhelmed it
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GWG So need to do tiny PRs
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jeremycherfas I should find the time to take a look at your fork. I would learn a lot about WP and mf2
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Loqi +1
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GWG It needs work, but I have too many projects
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GWG I am working on Post Kinds and media now, which I got into trying to fix Frank's reported bug
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GWG Which I got into because I was doing fixes to publishing feeds
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GWG Which I got into because I was doing fixes to consuming feeds
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GWG Which I got into after I put my webmention work on hold in the hopes for a Yarns Microsub early release at Summit
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[Rose] I have a few weird errors on RSS feeds with include and exclude, but thankfully JSON feeds work
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GWG [Rose]: What errors?
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GWG New Post Kinds has a feed template to eliminate empty titles
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[Rose] I'm waiting to hear back from Manton because it's micro.blog encountering them
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GWG I am just curious because I was thinking of a special feed presentation of the kind templates
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[Rose] My feeds are `kind/article,photo,note/feed`, which gets an internal server error according to the display, and the other is `exclude/kind/like,checkin,favourite,watch,play,eat,drink,bookmark,repost/feed/` Error: unknown error Net::ReadTimeout
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[Rose] I think the first one is missing a 'include/' at the start
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GWG No, include is a state of being
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[Rose] Hmmmm
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GWG It's built into wordpress
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GWG I had to build in exclude
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[Rose] https://rosemaryorchard.com/kind/article,photo,note/feed/json works, https://rosemaryorchard.com/kind/article,photo,note/feed/ does not
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GWG Not sure why
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[Rose] That's two of us
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GWG Are you running any development versions of anything?
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[Rose] Not that I know of
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GWG Same feed works on my site
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GWG Something seems to be messing with your feed
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[Rose] Agreed
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GWG https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Frosemaryorchard.com%2Fkind%2Farticle%2Cphoto%2Cnote%2Ffeed%2F
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GWG Didn't know jetpack added stuff to the feed
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GWG Not related, but curious
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[Rose] Interesting
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GWG Usually that root error is a superfluous whitespace
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GWG Caused by a plugin
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GWG Try shutting some stuff off maybe?
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GWG For testing
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[Rose] I'll have a look later.
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jeremycherfas Wondering why the properties of the h-feed on my home page of eatthispodcast.com includes "bridgy-twitter-content": ["Can you find me a paper in The Lancet?"] which is the summary on only one of the h-entries in the h-feed.
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jgmac1106 jeremycherfas why this line: <p class="p-bridgy-twitter-content" style="display:none">Can you find me a paper in The Lancet?</p><link rel='stylesheet' id='mediaelement-css' href='https://www.eatthispodcast.com/wp-includes/js/mediaelement/mediaelementplayer-legacy.min.css?ver=4.2.6-78496d1' type='text/css' media='all' /
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jgmac1106 there is no p-name following your h-feed that I can find
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jeremycherfas That's my question jgmac1106
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jgmac1106 can you addd a name here? <a href="https://www.eatthispodcast.com/" title="Eat This Podcast" rel="home">Eat This Podcast</a> I think if you add a p-name following the cite title the parser will ignore that weird bit…but try to deltet that weird bit of course
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jeremycherfas There is no p-name on the h-feed, true.
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jgmac1106 I would also add a p-summary to: <div class="site-description">Talking about anything around food</div>
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jeremycherfas All this comes down to feed weirdness in WP. My feed is absolutely bog standard, untouched by me.
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jgmac1106 also no h-card
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jeremycherfas You are looking at the page source, right? I am looking at the how that source is parsed.
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jgmac1106 both and comparing
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jgmac1106 but yeah its totally borked
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jgmac1106 can you switch easily to @pfererlle’s new theme? Same design aesthetic as IP
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jeremycherfas Heigh ho.
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jeremycherfas My child is pretty customised from IP, and to be honest that site does not get a huge amount of IndieWeb interaction, so I haven't been too concerned about it. But the talk earlier this morning about IP made me take another look, "just for fun".
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jgmac1106 switch to autonomine that is my only adive for any IP users, there are so many problems and it is wrapped up with gravatar inegration that messes up the h-card, at minimum install the h-card widget if you do not want to change, you can probably go into templates and add the p-name for the h-entry…no idea why the display none lancet comment is there, that is just weird
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jeremycherfas There's a p-author and h-card on individual entries, just not on the h-feed of the home page.
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jgmac1106 Indpendent Publisher is toast. If you want the best WordPress mf2 markup use SemPress or Autnomine without post-kinds is really the best advice we can give
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jgmac1106 yes but if you look the parser does not pick those up
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jeremycherfas GWG seems to be giving IP the benefit of the doubt.
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jgmac1106 he has been working on it but it is too much for gwg to mantain all the plugins and all the themes, I would call IP as not supported and walk away
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jeremycherfas Sure the parser picks up the h-card on posts. https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eatthispodcast.com%2Fhousekeeping%2F
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] Housekeeping We all deserve a break
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jgmac1106 I mean on the child h-entries included in the homepage that should be nested in your h-feed, there I see no h-card for the h-feed or the included h-entries
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jeremycherfas Oh, right. Well, I'd expect an h-card on the whole home page, but only because this is a single-author site.
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jgmac1106 if you add the h-card widget that will get fixed
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jgmac1106 you know you might be able to add the p-name in the additional css feature of customizewr
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jgmac1106 but can you just search your child theme for lancet and delete that line….but still say a proper p-name after h-feed will fix that problem
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jeremycherfas It's true that my child of Autonomie does offer muh better markup out of the box. Maybe I should think a bit about switching. I'm reluctant because it would almost certainly mean a whole new look, and I don't really want to do that. I have other itchier itches.
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jeremycherfas It isn't in the theme. It is the summary of one of the posts in the feed.
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jgmac1106 then let it be, don’t know anyone following podcast feeds in mf2 readers
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jeremycherfas There's more to it than just podcast, but yes, I take your point, and will let it be. Maybe come back with a hot new look when the podcast returns from summer break.
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jgmac1106 …but it would annoy me…might be a reason I just started writing my own posdcast feeds by hand
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jgmac1106 but Autonomie is a very similar feel to IP, both trying for the Medium aesthetic, your style sheet should translate nicely
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jgmac1106 theme switching always sucks…nobody ever wants to do it…thus our uptake problem
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jeremycherfas We'll see.
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jgmac1106 works find in my podcatcher with rss all that matters to me
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sknebel The bridgy attribute is weird bit doesn't hurt anything. Adding a name would not remove it, not sure where that idea comes from
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sknebel *but
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jeremycherfas That was my initial thought sknebel; that it was weird but harmless.
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jgmac1106 yes I didn’t mean remove I meant a proper p-name under the h-feed might get picked up first
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jgmac1106 but sknebel can diagnose better than I, saw many markup issues that he would be better at explaining
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jeremycherfas To be honest, I'd rather spend my time, such as it is, moving my Grav site to the new default Quark theme, customising it and making it mf2 ready.
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[jgmac1106] same conlcusion I reached (well not the Grav part) but the birdpress part
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aaronpk Why does the comments sidebar widget include u-url markup and how do we fix that
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[jgmac1106] tell people not to use the comment sidebar widget....
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aaronpk that's not really a good solution
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aaronpk why does it include the markup in the first place?
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[jgmac1106] I know, and I think it is SemPress specific, file an issue and [pfefferle] is quick to resolve
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[jgmac1106] hardest lesson to learn u-photo and u-url do not go everywhere
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sknebel Probably a "format commenter avatar" function somewhere that gets used there too
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aaronpk is this for sure sempress at fault?
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sknebel Can check at home if I filed an issue on that somewhere, I think I tracked it down some time last year
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aaronpk i don't want to open an issue there if it has nothing to do with it
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] the lesson is that markup in general doesn't just go everywhere
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[tantek] every piece of markup you add should have a specific purpose that you fully understand. if you don't, don't add it.
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aaronpk yeah i think a lot of time it's markup being added from templates that you don't realize are reused elsewhere
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[jgmac1106] yep...takes a sec to learn, and folks made some mistakes that get copy and paster or templating in someplaces but if you file an issue with SemPress
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[jgmac1106] ohh [aaronpk] said same thing
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[jgmac1106] yes I believe it is SemPress specific if I recall, I do not see it in gwg fork
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[pfefferle] what is the issue?
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Loqi issue is a special kind of article post that is a reply to typically some source code, though potentially anything at a source control repository https://indieweb.org/issue
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[pfefferle] 🙂
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aaronpk [pfefferle]: the author URL of comments in the sidebar widget include u-url class
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aaronpk so it's messing up the whole page
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[pfefferle] oh!
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[pfefferle] puuh
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[pfefferle] this seems hard to fix
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[pfefferle] do you have an example url for me?
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aaronpk https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/06/7290/
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Loqi [Ton Zijlstra] Letterpress printed QSL cards for successfully sent and received Webmentions must be the most finely targeted joke. The audience very likely not larger than 3 people.
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[pfefferle] shit… I hate the whole “adding mf2 via WordPress hooks” thing!!!!!!
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[jgmac1106] pfefferle++ for all you do...
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Loqi pfefferle has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (29 in all channels)
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[pfefferle] [jgmac1106] 🙂
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[jgmac1106] ohh that reminds me [tantek] do you still want me to run top three themes through parsers with and without mf2 plugin..are you still crazy enough to try your hand with that plugin?
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[jgmac1106] we did note [pfefferle] that hentry was removed in latest _s build
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[tantek] yeah ... assuming GWG is willing to sit down with me and show me how to maintain a plugin
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[pfefferle] oh! [tantek] is becoming a WordPress theme developer?
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[jgmac1106] okay, since I got 0% done today that seems like a good distraction to get 0% done tomorrow, lot of IndieWeb time when trying (and avoiding) finishing a book
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[jgmac1106] even worse a plugin maintainer, true masochist
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[pfefferle] oh, the mf2 thingy?
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[jgmac1106] wants to take mf2 for a spin....talk about hating Wordpress hooks
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[pfefferle] good luck [tantek]
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[tantek] pfefferle, not theme, but maybe some plugin hacking
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[tantek] I have some decent string manipulation skills 🙂
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[pfefferle] 😉
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[tantek] plugins that hack on themes
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[tantek] er, plugin, singular 🙂
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[tantek] again, only if GWG agrees to mentor me about WP plugin maintenance
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[jgmac1106] and I still say manually removing hfeed and hentry and then installing mf2 works excpet for a minor problem of u-author h-card vs p-author h-card
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[tantek] and having [jgmac1106] as QA will be essential
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miklb I'd be willing to help [tantek]
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[pfefferle] I will add that to my vita! “built a plugin that was taken over by [tantek] ” !!!
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[tantek] lol oh dear
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[jgmac1106] well look who the winds blew in... welcome friemd
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[tantek] pfefferle do you have an h-resume? 🙂
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[tantek] miklb++ (!!!)
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Loqi miklb has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (16 in all channels)
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[pfefferle] I am working on that
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[tantek] an h-resume ... plugin? 🙂
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[pfefferle] I will move over my linkedin profile to my site
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[pfefferle] puuuh, I am not sure it will become a plugin 😉
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[jgmac1106] building an h-resume was such a fun way to learn microformats and css grid..talk about nested properties...now i want to go try Grid and subgrid versus grid and flexbox
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[jgmac1106] but [tantek] will just build the sites and throw all the data into a repo, to me a unit test happens after chapter four, can't be much help after that
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[pfefferle] hmmm, but using custom-post-types and a custom taxonomy it might be easier that I thought
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[pfefferle] thinking about an h-resume plugin…
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miklb [tantek] if you are seriously considering, I still have the fork I was using that was getting me to about 95% compatible, but had that discussion about using the shim and that's where it stopped
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[jgmac1106] [miklb] the debate...discussion...was best way to strip errant hentry and hfeed from posts as part of mf2 plugin..but [pfefferle] noted some of those are required for the way the webmention plugins work for themes so fixing mf2 may cause cascade wih webmentions and/or semantic linkbacks
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miklb yes, I believe I've solved most of that but would need to revisit. I'm mostly focused on jekyll-indieweb but still using my WP site until I can get exactly where I want before switching.
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[jgmac1106] and some themes style hentry and hfeed sowould there be a way to check the stylesheet and if any styles exist rename the selector rather then delete with a find and replace
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[jgmac1106] ...maybe a find and replace even if the stylesheet ends up empty is better than a filter to check stylesheet and then the hooks to change
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[tantek] miklb, I'm also happy to contribute to your effort instead, since you've done so much of the work already
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[jgmac1106] ohh wrong channel but fix your h-card miklb still coming up blank
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miklb heh
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[jgmac1106] maybe it is your WordPress site I am seeing thn and not yoru Jekyll but you are coming up blank without author in my reader
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[jgmac1106] so then right channel
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miklb I'm not currently live on jekyll anywhere
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[tantek] miklb, while you're here, any chance you can make it to Summit? Or at least remote participate? https://2019.indieweb.org/summit
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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miklb I have zero budget for travel, but will try and follow along from afar
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aaronpk we should have solid remote participation!
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Loqi it is probable
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[jgmac1106] just proabable? such a pessimist
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk did you just feed Loqi the magic 8-ball responses
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[jgmac1106] miklb I have a free hotel room if you could do flight...but remote will be great...and it being on west Coast will fit your hours well
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miklb [tantek] I'd be happy to switch to a default theme & my fork and start documenting/revisiting the issues if you'd like to help debug
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miklb live debugging so to speak
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miklb flights from FL to west coast aren't cheap. I spent my small travel budget to go to CfA Summit in Oakland earlier this month.
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miklb CfA == Code for America
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miklb I appreciate the offer
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GWG [tantek]: Do I get to call you my apprentice?
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GWG I am happy to help if the uf2 plugin gets an active lead
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Re IP raamdev says he's back. I figured I'd submit a small PR and test that theory
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[miklb] [tantek] ok I’ve switched my WP site to use default 2016 and my fork of the uf2 plugin which is here https://github.com/miklb/wordpress-uf2/tree/parsing_updates I’ll start looking for issues. I think i need to add back the h-card widget
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GWG data properties...hmn
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[miklb] yeah. Nobody liked that idea but it solved a problem
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GWG miklb, there is no elegant solution for this problem
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[miklb] I just updated all of the IW plugins and switched so I’ll poke around. I’m not in a hurry to migrate & still not 100% what I want to do. I’ve had that domain for 14 years, kinda hate to abandon, but I do like having www.michaelbishop.me
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GWG I haven't worked on the uf2 plugin in a while, but I have done a lot of work elsewhere
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GWG Trying to fix mf2 specifically
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GWG Simple Location wraps it's location property so the location isn't leaking into the h-card on some parsers
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[miklb] I’ll re-asses where the mf2 parsing is it. Those changes were August, so interesting to see what’s changed in 10 months.
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GWG And so on
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GWG Glad to have you on it
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GWG I look forward to your inspiration
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[miklb] for awhile no matter what I did, micropub photo posting was broken so I abandoned doing much work on the site, plus other interests more pressing
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[miklb] my biggest issue now seems that because I’m using an external service to optimize images, it can take longer than micropub likes
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GWG I think Ruxton found the bug there
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GWG Re photo attachments
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[miklb] yes, i was following the commits/issues
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GWG Excuse me, it was jjeaton
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GWG At least things are getting better
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[miklb] part of me working on jekyll-indieweb is because I’m suing jekyll for another project and wanted to also use the theme/gem routine so it seemed like a good time to revisit and reuse as much code as possible between the two.
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[miklb] s/suing/using/
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GWG You know I am always looking for active contributors... developer or user contributors..So I will always be trying to recruit.
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[miklb] I’m really just going to do the same I did this time last year. Look at the state of mf2 parsing with a core theme and IW plugins and the uf2 plugin to fill in gaps. I’ll share what I find.
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GWG I see things finally starting to converge after 5 years
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GWG I can post using an Android app. I can POSSE out the other side
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GWG The Classic Editor is still a looming issue for me though
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GWG jackjamieson and I should have Microsub stable enough soon
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GWG With any luck
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GWG And I can go back to working on the webmention/semantic Linkbacks merger
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jackjamieson GWG, it's getting pretty smooth!
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GWG jackjamieson, did you look at the latest changes I worked on?
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GWG I still haven't rewritten the feed search, but I extracted a lot more data for you
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GWG Keep posting bookmarks of scholarly articles on your site
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GWG That's why I added Dublin Core metatag support
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jackjamieson GWG, looks like you've made a few changes since I last checked. I'll test them out and will keep looking for feeds that may cause problems
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jackjamieson Overall, I'm getting really happy Yarns + Indigenous/Monocle. Just fixing a few small bugs now
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[miklb] hmm https://twitter.com/miklb/status/1138504138520768514 is that new?
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@miklb > > This is a test, using an iOS Shortcut to send a note to my Micropub endpoint for syndication to Twitter.#indieweb >> >> — Scott Merrill (@smerrill) June 11, 2019 And here’s a reply from my WordPress admin testing my updates… https://miklb.com/blog/2019/06/11/5004/ https://twitter.com/smerrill/status/1138414235975868421 (twitter.com/_/status/1138504138520768514)
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[miklb] I guess I don’t remember the replied to text getting parsed into syndication
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[miklb] it comes in like a quote tweet not a reply. I’ll dig in, just curious if that’s now expected behavior
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[miklb] https://cdn.miklb.com/Main_Window_-_miklb-29-ms.png
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GWG It shouldn't be if things are marked up correctly
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GWG But because wordpress puts replies inside e-content...too common
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[miklb] using default post-kinds plugin/templates and 2016, but I do have my fork of uf2 so I’ll run it through a parser to see where the issue is coming from
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[miklb] it used to not do that with same setup
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GWG My solution in my themes is to add e-content to the content filter at priority 0 so it only wraps the actual post content
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[miklb] lol
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GWG lol to what?
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[miklb] just in general that it’s still so convoluted
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[miklb] or possibly regressed. But I’ll dig in and do another state of the mf2 post.
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[frank] GWG I added a custom syndication link to the WP plugin in my settings. How do I add an icon to this custom link on the frontend?
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[miklb] I think after about 30 minutes of looking at this I’m going to have to back out of my offer.
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[miklb] I just don’t have the fight in me to untangle that. my apologies for jumping the gun
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sknebel https://techcrunch.tumblr.com/post/185522867574/wordpress-vip-go-sites-are-experience-outages
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sknebel kind of funny that techcrunch has a tumblr for that case
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[tonz] So the RSS error I mentioned last week (@GWG) was caused by having a blank line at the end of my child theme’s functions.php. After some googling I found a 2016 article mentioning it as a possible source of the problem. What happened: in an editor I hit return a few times to give me space to add some lines, without realising it might make anything break.
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sknebel oof, that's sneaky
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gRegorLove Indeed. Does the file end with "?>"? A typical practice is to omit that closing tag at the end of the file to avoid whitespace issues.
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[tonz] It also ends with ?> but had 2 blank lines after it. Removing those fixed it. Next step would have been to remove the closing tag. Also see www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/06/7347/
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[tonz] Thanks for the tip that omitting it avoids the whitespace issue wholesale [gRegorLove]
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[tantek] wow that's a good reason to not use the closing ?> in a PHP file - unless it's included right?
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GWG [frank] What do you mean?
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gRegorLove If it's a PHP-only file (or predominantly PHP), I'll usually remove the closing ?>. Even for files called in by include() or require()
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gRegorLove No issue if the included file doesn't have the closing tag
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gRegorLove WordPress coding standards "prefer" leaving it out: https://developer.wordpress.org/coding-standards/wordpress-coding-standards/php/#remove-trailing-spaces
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GWG Yes
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