#wordpress 2019-06-20

2019-06-20 UTC
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jgmac1106 I should try to help Kevin with Bridgy: https://dailyconnector.com/
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Loqi it is probable
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GWG Is it overscoping to put a fix into Post Kinds that fixes a core sanitization bug that was affecting the data I was trying to use?
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GWG https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/46800
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GWG On a positive note I continue to lumber toward a solution to my media storage issues
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jgmac1106 awesome gwg
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GWG I want to get a version of Post Kinds out the door before Summit
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Hello all, pretty new to indieweb atm, but I’m a WordPress dev so if anyone’s looking for some help, lmk. I’m particularly interested in a built-in to WP Indie Reader
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[Jay_Hoffmann] But for now, just want to be useful if I can
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GWG We have something in the works as a Microsub endpoint
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GWG That is the backend of a reader
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GWG I can link to the repo
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GWG https://github.com/jackjamieson2/yarns-microsub-server
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Loqi [jackjamieson2] yarns-microsub-server: Microsub server plugin for WordPress. In beta, so please report bugs if you use Yarns.
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Thank you! I will take a look. Been using Aperture, but I’ll see if I can get that setup, maybe even work on some sort of front-end
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GWG If you read the Microsub spec, you could write a front end that would work with Aperture or Yarns
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Yea will do, very much in learning mode still 🙂. Thanks for the tips, and to everybody in here doing some pretty great work
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jgmac1106 gwg do you think Jay Hoffman could help with the way post-kinds generate RSS? are you working on that?
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jgmac1106 What is yarns?
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Loqi Yarns Microsub Server or Yarns for short, is a Microsub Server plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/Yarns
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jgmac1106 the other issue Jay Hoffman is just getting more and more themes with native microformats2 support, more options more people, but @jackjamieson would love contributors to Yarn if that is your goal…build what motivates you, kinda how we roll
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Oh interesting, yea Microformats was going to be my next adventure. I’m curious, what was the decision behind making a few different disparate WP plugins with a bundler, rather than combining them into a single “IndieWeb” plugin? I imagine it’s so that everything could be developed independently, but I was just wondering. It’s a bit confusing onboarding
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jgmac1106 yes for onboarding it adds a layer of complexity but it couldn’t be one plugin to rule them all because of the diversity of themes
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jgmac1106 for example if you use a theme with native microformats you on’t use the microformats2 plugin
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jgmac1106 some people like using the native post types in WordPress themes, other’s like gwg’s taxonomy/archive idea for all the different post types in the post-kind plugin
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Makes sense
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jgmac1106 but yes really a huge improvement if you wanted to get involved is the documentation included in the plugin to make the process easier for onboarding. We always do a big Wordpress pow wow at the summit, if you can make it even remotely it would be great
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[Jay_Hoffmann] If the pow-wow’s on June 30th, that would be a bit tough, but I’ll look into the summit. Right now, I’m jotting down some steps as I go along, so I’ll see what I can do docs wise
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jgmac1106 Jay_Hoffman++
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Loqi Jay_Hoffman has 1 karma over the last year
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GWG The reason is different people created each, to be practical
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GWG Some aren't mandatory
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[Jay_Hoffmann] I see. Okay good to know
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GWG Post Kinds, for example, isn't liked by all
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GWG We are merging Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks at some point
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GWG [Jay_Hoffman]: What's your site?
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[Jay_Hoffmann] https://jayhoffmann.com/
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[Jay_Hoffmann] And yea that seems like a good idea. Feels like IndieAuth, Micropub and Microsub could potentially be merged?
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GWG Yes
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GWG Except for...
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GWG Some people don't want self hosted IndieAuth or Microsub
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GWG I do, by the way
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GWG That's why they are separate
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GWG Having hosted and self hosted in the same plugin confused people
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GWG I would love to merge more things
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GWG I just get people who don't want X but want Y
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GWG But I am trying to merge two of them.
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GWG And split off a third
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GWG I think what the Indieweb plugin needs is a better onboarding tool
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GWG To be honest, I'd be happy to stop writing duplicate code
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GWG [Jay_Hoffman]: Trying to make compromises to accommodate so many different people is hard
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Amen! All very, very good points. I can definitely see an on boarding experience where you’re basically asked a few questions (i.e. would you like to use your site to publish to other sites? Would you like to add authentication?) and things are set up for you automatically. For now, I’m just getting that stuff setup myself, and I’ll keep reporting back anything I find / see how I can help out
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GWG I am happy to help here, on some sort of voice/screen sharing chat, or in person if that is possible
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GWG It says you are in New York, as am I
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Oh awesome, whereabouts? I’m on Long Island
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Also @GWG where’s your site?
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GWG I live in Queens and work in Nassau and keep hoping for a LI Indieweb event
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GWG To avoid me typing the whole thing, di5.us redirects
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Thanks!
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GWG I thought I had gwg
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GWG .us redirecting also
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GWG I should check
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Loqi yea!
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GWG But I enjoy helping newcomers
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Yea I super appreciate the help. Among the most welcoming chat experiences I’ve had 🙂
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GWG I keep all of my improvement ideas in the GitHub repos
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GWG If you see something there, or have another idea..
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GWG I have a lot I want to do
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GWG Do you have any plugins installed yet?
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GWG Curious about early thoughts?
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[Jay_Hoffmann] So I would say it took a bit of exploring to get started. I poked around the Indieweb wiki a bit, and a few blog posts, but there wasn’t a singular guide on how to get things setup in WordPress, so that took a few trial and error. I have IndieAuth, Micropub, and Webmentions installed. IndieAuth was a breeze, and I haven’t done anything with Webmentions on my own site yet, but it took a bit of getting used to add feeds in Apertur
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[Jay_Hoffmann] view them in a reader (I’ve been using Monocle). But I also remember passively looking into this a couple of years ago, and things are _way_ simpler now, especially with Aperture, Granary and the singular Indieweb plugin.
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[Jay_Hoffmann] But I’m going to experiment a bit more and then write-up a few longer thoughts in the next couple of weeks, so I’ll let you know when I have that
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GWG I'm always lurking
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chrisaldrich What is getting started on wordpress?
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Loqi By using WordPress on your own domain, you are already a part of the IndieWeb. Below are some suggestions to help you get started with upgrading your WordPress site to support IndieWeb philosophies https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_on_WordPress
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chrisaldrich Jay_Hoffmann ^^ that should have been a page for you to start. There's also a specific /WordPress page as well.
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chrisaldrich I'm slowly pecking away at improving a getting started page at https://indieweb.org/User:Boffosocko.com/wordpress-draft
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chrisaldrich And welcome to the IndieWeb #WordPress channel!
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Thanks!
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aaronpk omg "IndieAuth was a breeze"
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aaronpk good job GWG 👏
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aaronpk took a while to get here :-)
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jacky gotta add that to the testimontals section
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GWG We have a testimonial section?
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jacky lol we could!
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GWG If your server isn't configured restrictively, it is a breeze
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