#wordpress 2019-09-19

2019-09-19 UTC
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beko[m] I wonder. If I reply on a comment (wordpress Reply to Comment! Not post-kinds!) that rolled in via webmention… will this generate a correct reply-to webmention again, so this becomes a nice readable thread?
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beko[m] I think I found the answer to my question on https://chrisaldrich.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/threaded-replies-with-webmentions-in-wordpress/
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cambridgeport90[ Thanks for the link. I was wondering the same exact thing.
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beko[m] Seems to work just fine: https://notiz.blog/2019/09/18/eine-posse/
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beko[m] I replied via the inline "Reply To" in Wordpress. wordpress-webmention took care of the rest of it
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beko[m] nifty
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cambridgeport90[ I don’t think I’ve seen that work that well.
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[chrisbergr] I guess this is realized with the Webmention for Comments plugin mentioned by Chris Aldrich in the linked article
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beko[m] It is. that plugin is deprecated tho and now in wordpress-webmention core
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beko[m] So it really became a no-brainer 🙂
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beko[m] Again I feel like a child in a candystore.
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[chrisbergr] great 🙂
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cambridgeport90[ What happens if you reply directly from your site?
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beko[m] I did.
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beko[m] uploaded an image: image.png (23KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/PrEJScPWFjjFwqAXsydAIhVJ >
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beko[m] Guess I've a new case for my CSS to play with now 😁
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[chrisbergr] That didn't worked at my testcase... Do I need ActivityPub?
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beko[m] Don't think so. When I wonder how something is done I check what http://php.microformats.io returns.
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cambridgeport90[ Always recommended.
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beko[m] in this case I see nested comments.
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beko[m] The `url` is used by webmention. The rest is what the implementation does with it from what I understood.
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[chrisbergr] I guess I need to redo the mf2 declarations of my comments 🙂
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GWG Morning all
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[chrisbergr] Good morning 🙂
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GWG I see webmention talk
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[Lewis_Cowles] 👋
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[chrisbergr] Yeah, 2 topics: wp comments sending webmentions and post kind reply should webmention all relevant posts (like parents and grandparents)
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GWG Ah, salmentions
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GWG We haven't gotten to implementing that
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GWG But I have some new webmention features coming
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GWG I am trying to do a long overdue update
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GWG If you follow the repo, there are a bunch of new commits that should be released shortly
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GWG And I have more in plan
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cambridgeport90[ I’m gonna go do that, I think.
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[chrisbergr] I have to check post kinds. Really wanna this https://christian.hockenberger.us/test/561/ look (and act) like my old self written test http://ari.culties.com/reply/109/
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beko[m] Heh, awesome first website screenshots 😁 I've similar ones 😆
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[chrisbergr] Good old times 🙂
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GWG [chrisbergr]: If you want to improve the simple default templates, I would love to see that. Or if you override them. Both are good
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beko[m] woah… hammered mine into wayback machine and it even still renders exactly the way it should.
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GWG Although there is a request to handle more preloading of properties before the template
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[chrisbergr] @GWG I mean the possibility to display two or more reply-to entities above my content. I guess therefore I need to figure out how to get/save them first 🙂 Improvement of the default templates? What need of improvement do you see? I think they're working well for most of the templates.
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[chrisbergr] @beko[m]: https://web.archive.org/web/20090227152548/http://princeofdune.com/ 🙂
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GWG Design improvements
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GWG I am not the best designer
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[chrisbergr] Ok, I'd love to help you there.
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[chrisbergr] I'll do some suggestions in a fork this weekend
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beko[m] [chrisbergr]: awesome 😁 My first snap is from 2002. The one before went down with geocities and I couldn't for my life remember the url.
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jgmac1106 this sounds cool…no repo yet: https://twitter.com/cogdog/status/1174481995067469825
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@cogdog Really excited about what I just finished making. It's an HTML+JS+CSS site that uses WordPress API for showing all new content on site. But wait! There's more. It has crazy form check boxes to filter content by 40+ categories. But wait! There's more... (twitter.com/_/status/1174481995067469825)
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[chrisbergr] I see some serious SEO problems.. But hey, looking forward to see how this performs
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[chrisbergr] Do you guys using semantic linkbacks have any spam protection plugin in use?
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GWG I use Antispam Bee
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GWG By the way, trying to roll Semantic Linkbacks into webmentions over time
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[chrisbergr] That makes sense. Please don't forget the possibility to change the output via theme https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/210 🙂
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[jgmac1106] I use Askimet
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[jgmac1106] WP has the beat webmention moderation tools
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GWG [chrisbergr]: I plan to use the same idea as Post Kinds
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GWG But there is a lot more to do
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GWG The plan pfefferle and I outlined involves changing the storage
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[chrisbergr] And now everyone fears the update 😄
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GWG That is why it is going slowly
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GWG One improvement at a time
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GWG With backcompat
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GWG So, I have closed PRs that didn't quite work out and went back to the drawing board
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[chrisbergr] [jgmac1106] I also use Askimet, but I have a bad feeling that it does strange things.. Especially with webmentions. I created some tests earlier this morning and all mentions were spam by default. After approving whitelisting them they were deletet 3 times again. Don't know..
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jgmac1106 but it seems to learn as you mark as not spam
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jgmac1106 funny thing most false postives for me where from myself
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[chrisbergr] But deleting a marked mention 3 times??
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GWG [chrisbergr]: I mentioned this to Akismet a long time ago
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GWG But some of the changes might help their analysis
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GWG Already merged but not released to the .org repo, by the way, a setting to enable webmentions by post type, instead of just pages or posts
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GWG Attachment support
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GWG Conditional headers
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GWG Sending only valid HTML links or also media links
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beko[m] I've no spam problem [yet]. My blog refused pingbacks and comments for a decade so I guess all the spammers gave up. Let's see when they'll start rolling in again.
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beko[m] Nice changes 😁
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GWG I also discussed better separation of webmentions so you don't have to enable pingbacks and trackbacks to get them
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GWG https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/36824
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GWG Also happy this finally got merged
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GWG I worked on it 3 years ago
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beko[m] sounds like Wordpress ._.
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GWG And used it to improve the webmention version
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GWG Also moving avatar handling from Semantic Linkbacks to webmentions
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GWG All the low hanging fruit
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[chrisbergr] Great, this is where it belongs to
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GWG Also will need new privacy settings
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GWG I think moving piece by piece and updating each part is a better move for something that has so much data in the database
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GWG Eventually, will have to make some big changes, but hopefully can minimize impact
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[chrisbergr] You wrote that you and [pfefferle] outlined to change the storage. Does that mean you'll add a new database table or is it about changing the meta_key in wp_commentmeta?
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beko[m] lemme know if you need some realdworld data for testing. My wp goes back to 2004 and survived db charsets from hell n stuff 🙂
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GWG Changing the keys
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GWG To harmonize things
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GWG Semantic type will move to comment type, and webmention will be stored in a protocol key
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[chrisbergr] I like that
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GWG It means each mention type will be a custom comnent type, so that is a switch
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[chrisbergr] understood 🙂
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[jgmac1106] woq: https://venturebeat.com/2019/09/19/wordpress-com-parent-automattic-raises-300-million-from-salesforce-at-a-3-billion-valuation/
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