#wordpress 2019-11-03

2019-11-03 UTC
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GaryJ Hello,
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GaryJ I've been developing my website for some time now and it's time for me to deploy it. I was thinking of deploying it with Google Cloud Kubernetes. My biggest concern is scalability. I'm confident with my developer knowledge but I fall short when it comes to the technical details with hosting. Can someone please advice my what route to take, maybe
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GaryJ host recommendations? or maybe how to insure I won't have problems when needing more service resources?
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[frank] Goodmorning Indieweb. I am testing my WP Webmention plugin to see how I can show incoming webmentions to my homepage instead of a specific article. For this I made a test post on another site (https://frankmeeuwsen.xyz/2019/11/03/webmention-op-domein/) linking to my homepage https://diggingthedigital.com/ . But I now see my homepage doesn't advertise the webmention endpoint. Is this a setting in the backend I am missing or something else?
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[frank] Where do I start to look for a solution?
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[frank] For the record I have enabled Webmention support for both Post and Pages.
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[frank] Well... I fixed the header-issue by adding `define( 'WEBMENTION_ALWAYS_SHOW_HEADERS', 1 );` to wp-config. But when I send a webmention through curl I get the error `{"code":"pings_closed","message":"Pings are disabled for this post","data":{"status":400}}`
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[frank] I have no idea where to go next...
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[frank] who want to get started with Webmentions and want to enable them on the homepage as well. I will file an issue on the repo later with a coherent explanation.
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[frank] Hmm...So here's what I did next. Through the webmention plugin I configured "Set a page for mentions of the homepage to be sent to" to my About page. Then, in PHPMyAdmin I changed the ping_status of this about page from closed to open. Only then could I send a succesful webmention from my testsite. It doesn't show by default on the About page ( I don't know why) but at least it's something. It does bring some issues for regular WP users
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GWG WordPress sets pages to pings closed by default. Webmentions overrides that if you enable it for pages
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GWG But it still uses the same field
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[frank] I know. But it looks like the Webmention plugin didn't override it. I still had to manually enable both discussion (ping_status) and comments (comment_status) at the page edit screen to enable webmention and to show them on the page.
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[frank] And the thing is, with Gutenberg, you can't enable the discussion status at the edit screen of the page. You have to switch to the classic editor to do this.
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GWG It should work in Quick Edit, but it may be we switch from using ping status entirely
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GWG It was discussed
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GWG But too much to do always
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GWG [frank]: The issue was the pings open, not the headers flag though. If you had pings open on the page, that would have shown with or without the config setting
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[frank] Thanks GWG.
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[chrisaldrich] GaryJ I've never used Google Cloud for that. It's there something specific about your site that makes you think you'll need large resources?
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[chrisaldrich] What is hosting?
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Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/hosting
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[frank] @GWG I did another test. I removed the extra line in wp-config (define( 'WEBMENTION_ALWAYS_SHOW_HEADERS', 1 );) so my pages would not have an endpoint by default. Once I enabled trackbacks/pingbacks on a per-page basis in the standard classic editor, the endpoint would come back and webmention work. It's a bit of a puzzle and I think I understand what happened. It is still correct Gutenberg doesn't show the trackback/pingback toggle?
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GWG I thought it did. I'll have to look
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[frank] In my exploration of the WordPress Indieweb plugins, I am now checking out the Semantic Linkback plugin. This should make a facepile possible when you receive likes on a post. But for me it doesn't. Again, see the commentsection of https://frankmeeuwsen.xyz/2019/11/03/webmention-op-domein/ I added two likes from other domains I have. I expected a facepile of the likes, but it doesn't show up. The settings for Semantic Linkback under
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[frank] Can anyone help me out what to do next to make the facepiles show up on my theme (Independent Publisher)
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[frank] Settings >> Discussion have all options enabled for facepiles and the initial number tested with 0 (all) and 1.
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GWG [frank]: Do you have jetpack installed?
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[frank] Nope, not on that domain. Already checked that bug
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GWG I want to do a rewrite of that feature. You saved the Settings page?
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[frank] Yes
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[frank] Multiple times, trying various settings (0, 1, 2)
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GWG Odd.
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GWG What about the webmention settings page
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[frank] Should there be a specific setting on it for this?
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GWG No, but sometimes the default isn't working unless you save
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[frank] Oh OK. Saved those settings again. Nothing happens
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GWG Wait, did you try switching themes?
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[frank] No
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GWG Independent Publisher displays webmentions built in
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[chrisbergr] I noticed that already received likes don't turn into facepiles. Only the new likes after you've set up semantic linkbacks. Maybe this is the case here?
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GWG That would also be correct
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GWG There is no reprocessing option
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[frank] I did send the new likes after I set up SL plugin
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[frank] I can do so again now
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GWG It needs a lot of work as part of the merge
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[frank] @GWG should I disable the Webmention plugin then?
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GWG No
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[frank] Because the theme already displays them?
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GWG One won't work without the other
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GWG Semantic Linkbacks has webmentions as a dependency
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GWG Can you temporarily switch themes
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[frank] Sure, no problem
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GWG Just to see if it shows
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[frank] I'll switch to 2019
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[frank] They also show up on the Twenty Nineteen default theme
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GWG This is why I want to merge. Semantic Linkbacks is not useful without Webmentions
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[frank] Just as they did on Independent Publisher
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[frank] But they don't show up in a facepile
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[frank] https://frankmeeuwsen.xyz/2019/11/03/webmention-op-domein/
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[frank] I understand you want to merge to simplify and clarify. I try to write a how-to on these plugins for non-developers. But it's pretty hard to be honest.
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GWG So the facepile code isn't being triggered
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GWG It is using the default display
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[frank] Is there anything I can do to fix this?
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[chrisbergr] Really try resending them. Just to be sure.
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[frank] Will do so now [chrisbergr].
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[frank] Unfortunately no changes
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[frank] I deleted the old comments, used curl to resend the webmentions and approved them on the WordPress backend
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[chrisbergr] okay. 😞
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GWG It wouldn't change if they showed as likes
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[chrisbergr] The custom walker from semantic linkbacks is used (the @ url thing is an indicator) ... So I hope David has an idea, I don't see any problem
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[frank] Maybe you could like the page as well as a test, make sure it send a webmention and see what happens. Maybe something is missing on my side.
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[chrisbergr] https://ambersaunders.de/indieweb-support/a-random-like/ testpage / css glitch
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Loqi [Amber Saunders] I like it! https://ambersaunders.de/indieweb-support/a-random-like/
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[frank] It shows on my page, as a regular comment instead of a like
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[frank] On the backend it has the Comment-Type "Comment" where as my own has the Comment-Type "Webmention"
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[chrisbergr] How is that possible?
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[frank] I don't know...
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[frank] Your MF2 parsing shows a lot more information. I have the feeling it is a reply & like in one? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fambersaunders.de%2Findieweb-support%2Fa-random-like%2F
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Loqi [Amber Saunders] a random like…
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[frank] Because the like-of property also has a in-reply-to property. Maybe this chokes WordPress?
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aaronpk ah the like-of property doesn't have a URL
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aaronpk that's what's missing
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aaronpk where did this markup come from?
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[frank] Which URL do you mean [aaronpk]? The https://ambersaunders.de/indieweb-support/a-random-like/ one?
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Loqi [Amber Saunders] I like it! https://ambersaunders.de/indieweb-support/a-random-like/
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aaronpk yeah
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[frank] Looking at the sourcecode, I'd say it's WordPress
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aaronpk theme detector says it's https://github.com/chrisbergr/Themeberger-Basic
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Loqi [chrisbergr] Themeberger-Basic: This is a test. Do not use it :)
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aaronpk oof there's a lot going on there
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[chrisbergr] Oh hell its possible that fav, like and bookmarks are not finished yet
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[chrisbergr] Sorry Frank
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[frank] No problem Chris
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aaronpk there's way too much markup on the like post!
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aaronpk doesn't need to be anywhere near that complicated
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aaronpk for example: http://examples.tpxl.io/#like
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[frank] But I'm still looking for a solution to get the facepile back 🙂
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[frank] I hope @GWG might have some idea
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GWG Will look post trolley tour
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[frank] Sure thing GWG, have fun! I will take a look tomorrow. Timezones...
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[chrisbergr] Yes Aaron. In my euphoria I have forgotten that I have just finished notes, photos and replies. And replies are still sometimes causing problems regarding the avatar.
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[frank] @GWG The facepile problem has been reported on other places as well. https://wordpress.org/support/topic/unable-to-show-facepile/
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GWG Okay, will look
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