#wordpress 2021-01-21
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[indieweb653] Hi everyone, I’ve been hanging around here for a while since I’m interested in many values the Indieweb pursues
# [indieweb653] Out of interest, and primarily for my own pleasure and use, I build a WordPress plugin on the side that might be considered as a slightly different approach towards enabling people to get independent of social networks
# [indieweb653] So the plugin is called “Friends”and focusses on the aspect of following and interacting with other people around the web and providing a more integrated experience for this, using just your own, personal blog
# [indieweb653] I created a landing page at https://wpfriends.at/ that tries to explain this in more detail with screenshots
# [indieweb653] Thanks, Loqi 🙂 Happy to go into more details of what it does and how
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# cambridgeport90 testing
# cambridgeport90 I am in the process of setting up my location on posts; I have the following configuration: geoNames.org as my provider (no place seemingly to enter my account credentials on the Simple location settings), and Visual Crossing API key entered into the place for that. Maps provider is mapbox, though I want to change it to Google since I have Google Maps on my phone. I didn't get a Mapbox user name; do I need to? If they aren't
# cambridgeport90 requiring API's right now? And whenever I attempt to get a location, it simply gives a generic "not found" error. Any suggestions?
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[jeremycherfas] !tell [indieweb653] Looks really interesting. I don’t use WP much myself, and then only for specific projects, so I won’t be trying it out. But I’m sure others here will.
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[chrisaldrich] [indieweb653] I've come across Friends before and like the general concept, but from an IndieWeb perspective it seems to suffer from the fact that one needs to be on WordPress to be able to use it. I'm curious how we might revisit the broader idea and expand the functionality to work across CMS/platforms to work everywhere?
# [chrisaldrich] What are private posts?
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen or previously approved by the author https://indieweb.org/private_posts
# [chrisaldrich] What is audience?
# Loqi audience is an experimental property of a post that indicates the intended recipients (readers) of the post https://indieweb.org/audience
# [chrisaldrich] Those two pages are at least the start of that idea ^^.
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# [indieweb653] Well, it is only implemented in WordPress at the moment and the “friendship protocol” is not spec’ed out. But there is nothing that prevents other services from implementing it
# [chrisaldrich] Most of the work of IndieWeb is breaking up the bigger pieces into /building_blocks so that they're more easily implemented across programming languages and platforms across the web.
# [chrisaldrich] I love the idea of what you're doing and can see some serious use cases for it.
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# [chrisaldrich] I'm sort of curious how much reader work is built into it and how similar (or not) it is to what Yarns is/does.
# [chrisaldrich] What is Yarns?
# Loqi Yarns Microsub Server or Yarns for short, is a Microsub Server plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/Yarns
# [indieweb653] There are a few differences to Yarns. Friends doesn’t do read/unread or microsub (could be added with a plugin)
# [indieweb653] Both use post_types to store the remote posts
# [indieweb653] But Yarns doesn’t attribute the remote posts to WordPress users
# [chrisaldrich] The topic of "friendship protocol" might make a good IndieWebCamp pop-up session this year. This might make a good template for creating a specification for this functionality across the web.
# [chrisaldrich] [indieweb653] have you run across some of GWG's work on Parse This? I saw a few preliminary references to parsing, but haven't looked closely at Friends in a while.
# [chrisaldrich] What is Parse This?
# Loqi Parse This is a WordPress plugin/library that powers link previews in the Post Kinds plugin and Yarns Microsub for WordPress https://indieweb.org/Parse_This
# [chrisaldrich] I know there was some chat recently (perhaps in the last two days in the main #indieweb chat?) about people looking for exactly this sort of functionality out of the box in a social network.
# [indieweb653] Yes, I’ve seen it but there isn’t as much overlap in functionality as you would initially think
# [chrisaldrich] Friends with WordPress and a private instance of WithKnown are probably the two closest ways of doing some of this without going the Mastodon route (which is still missing some of the privacy pieces I think).
# [chrisaldrich] [indieweb653]++ for Friends and cooking what he eats
# [chrisaldrich] I'm glad you've popped up here as many are very interested in this area. I've got to head out to a meeting, but I look forward to delving more deeply into Friends and particularly into how we might create a standard for this type of functionality for the rest of the IndieWeb space.
# [indieweb653] Thanks for the discussion! I’d be interested in trying to dissect what the Friends plugin does myself since I try to bundle not clearly defined aspects of social networks
# [indieweb653] By pulling friends + news content into your own WordPress database it means that it becomes locally searchable and referencable
# [indieweb653] And by both attributing friends content to a WordPress user and allowing authentication into that WordPress user for local interaction, interesting possibilities arise
# [chrisaldrich] I've always liked that local search ability with things like Yarns and/or feed reader related plugins like PressForward
# [indieweb653] for example, private commenting on someone else’s public blog post: you comment to the cached local post, send a webmention to the original author, and they could authenticate into your instance and have the discussion there
# [indieweb653] Or, the ability to follow comment on a remote post by subscribing to the comments RSS feed (which exists by default for WordPress blog posts), those get inserted as comments for the local blog post which you could then be notified about
# [indieweb653] And finally, the segmentation into post formats (like Post Kinds but staying within the WordPress standard functionality, thus having Gutenberg support, for example), would allow creating mobile apps for specialized realms, for example a “twitter-like client” that fetches all post-format “status” posts from your server and your new posts would be posted as “status” posts as well, thus operating only on a subset of the pos
# [indieweb653] I’ve written some of this up in https://alexander.kirk.at/2021/01/21/reducing-our-dependency-on-third-party-platforms-for-our-online-activity/ for further reading 🙂
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[pfefferle] [indieweb653]++
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