#wordpress 2025-09-22
2025-09-22 UTC
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[Ana_R] Hello wordpress channel! I'm doing an IndieWeb talk this week to a wordpress audience. I've been through the wiki and I have some pointers to recommend. I am currently not using wordpress so I'm wondering if anyone here has something exciting that I am likely unaware that you think I should share? Thank you!
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[pfefferle] hui... where should I start 🙂
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# [Ana_R] My goal is mostly to show quick entry points to an "IndieWebfied" website. Since I will talking about the theory, which can seem daunting, it seems like we have plug-ins that make it all easier. Like the MF2 and the IndieWeb plug-in - so my plan to recommend the wiki and those plug-ins.
# [Ana_R] "IndieWebified" * typo
# [Ana_R] nope 😕 could be anything. the description of the event says "developers and engineers who build with WordPress" - so developers would know how to poke things
# [Ana_R] which is why I am inclined to share theory and entry points but don't go into deep as people will likely poke it themselves.
# [Ana_R] (also, the talk goes on another tangent for a while)
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[asuh] There are limitations or incompabilities of some older IndieWeb plugins to be compatible with modern block themes, and that’s where https://indieblocks.xyz/ from comes in to fill some gaps, just FYI. GWG and @pfef
# [Ana_R] Thanks Micah! That's really helpful to keep in mind.
# [asuh] You’re welcome! I’ve taken a long time to understand how to use everything in a classic theme and experiment with what block themes can and can’t do, but it’s very limited. The future of WordPress being block themes means some of the fundamental needs for integrating Indieweb features seems fuzzy. Such as, how much would it matter today if MF2 were actually embedded in core, with respect to block themes?
# [pfefferle] the problem with MF2 is, that the plugin does not really work with up-to-date themes
# [pfefferle] so either you have to use a compatible theme or the block editor with the https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieblocks/ plugin by Jan Boddez
# [pfefferle] so in the end I think the MF(2) part is the most controversial part if the Indie-WordPress project
# [Ana_R] Right, would something like this sound correct:
# [Ana_R] > here's a few existing plug-ins - but these may not work with the recent stuff (e.g. themes and block editor). So maybe also have a look at http://indieblocks.xyz as it may suit your current better?
# [Ana_R] *your current setup
# [pfefferle] but maybe this is also the magic of WordPress, because we have implemented a really nice fallback to the WordPress-API, OpenGraph, http://Schema.org and others for Webmentions
# [asuh] [Ana_R] I’d be specific to call theme Block Themes: https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/block-themes/
# [asuh] And in that spirit, WordPress calls it the Site Editor https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/site-editor/
# [Ana_R] Thanks! here's a revised sentence
# [Ana_R] > here's a few existing plug-ins - but these may not work with the recent stuff (e.g. Block themes). So maybe also have a look at http://indieblocks.xyz as it may suit your current setup better?
# [Ana_R] Micah, funny enough, I use Wagtail CMS at work so the concept of "blocks" is what we do as well all the time, so this makes sense to me 😄
# [Ana_R] Thanks, this was very helpful. I just want to make sure I can guide people in the right direction. Hopefully, curiosity sparks.
# [pfefferle] but as I wrote above, the Webmention plugin has some nice fallbacks, exactly because of the theme issue
# [pfefferle] so it will most likely even work without mf2
# [pfefferle] I think we call it metaformats nowadays https://microformats.org/wiki/metaformats
# [Ana_R] cool! Matthias, you mean https://wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/ right?
# [pfefferle] exactly
# [Ana_R] excellent! Thank you. I will point to https://profiles.wordpress.org/indieweb/#content-plugins and share the caveat and highlight that detail about the webmention one.
# [pfefferle] [dshanske] any ideas about closing https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-uf2/ ???
# [pfefferle] it was updated 8 years ago?
# [pfefferle] I think we can still have the GitHub version
# [pfefferle] [asuh] it is not that we propose to use something different... the case is that we simply fall back to other solutions that might be more common than microformats...
# [pfefferle] http://schema.org and OpenGraph are already adopted widely adopted by all the big SEO plugins, because of search engine and social media optimisation
# [pfefferle] so the chance to find one of these is quite high
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[artlung] Feels like I'm seeing WordPress Substack interop later than I wish it existed. https://specialprojects.automattic.com/2025/08/27/posting-from-wordpress-to-substack/
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