#indiewebcamp 2012-03-29
2012-03-29 UTC
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aaronpk the premise is this: you direct your users to http://indieauth.com/auth?me=aaronparecki.com&redirect_uri=http://example.com/indieauth
# aaronpk so basically it's a way for example.com to verify the identity of any user by their domain name without having to write any oauth code. obviously example.com wouldn't have any authorization to do anything with the user's accounts (can't read tweets, whatever), which is probably a good thing anyway
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters] Your identity, chopped up or cloned: You Decide #indieweb #fsn http://t.co/eNFtEGBM
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barnabywalters can someone do me a big favour and reply to any one of my tweets that links back to my website? I'm trying to test twitter related_results as a way of pulling feedback to my website, but it doesn't register with my own replies.
# barnabywalters preferably this one: https://twitter.com/#!/barnabywalters/status/184028360886845440
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@BarnabyWalters ATOM implied Activitystream added and submitted to technorati. Starting to feel more like an #indieweb site now! http://t.co/AzOLmtEJ
# barnabywalters brilliant, thanks
# barnabywalters question is, did it work? related results is… unreliable to say the least
# barnabywalters it's not documented
# barnabywalters but it exists
# barnabywalters works on and off, doesn't seem to have worked this time :(
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/aaronpk] @BarnabyWalters Yeah!! Go #indieweb!
# barnabywalters problem is I can't find a supported method of easily getting all replies/related activity for a tweet
# barnabywalters seems like a no-brainer really
# barnabywalters partly
# barnabywalters I think Tantek calls it reverse syndication
# barnabywalters I call it backfeedback
# barnabywalters either one works :)
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mkowens To my knowledge, Twitter does not support threading easily. You may want to check with Mark Jardine from Tweetbot. They've got a function that checks for all replies to a message.
# barnabywalters cheers, I'll look him up
# barnabywalters I wonder how twitter do it
# mkowens It is hit or miss, though, so I'm guessing it relies on "tweets Tweetbot has seen" or something like that in order to correlate in_reply_to fields on the API.
# mkowens They have the firehose.
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# mkowens They use the in_reply_to fields on the API to aggregate all known tweets with the correct in_reply_to field values.
# barnabywalters we can see what API calls twitter are making on the client side?! that's news to me
# aaronpk interesting, twitter doesn't even show my reply on your tweet here https://twitter.com/#!/BarnabyWalters/status/184028360886845440
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# barnabywalters yes, I'm beginning to think it merely takes some time. Or is broken for some reason
# mkowens They're using the statuses/firehose endpoint that isn't able to be accessed by third parties without special permissions.
# barnabywalters so the repliers will be me and you. I assume it *could* be done by searching the streams of 'repliers' for tweets in reply to the original id, but my code is a complicated enough mess of conditionals as it is :(
# barnabywalters cheers, I'll have a read
# mkowens Yes, and the statuses/firehose is how they're accessing the in_reply_to aggregation.
# mkowens "Creative use of a combination of other resources and various access levels can satisfy nearly every application use case."
# mkowens :-)
# mkowens It's Twitter's way of saying, "We have magic you don't."
# barnabywalters ;) so not something I can do easily with the REST API
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@timoreilly Business as usual: at behest of corporate masters, Congress aims to punish FCC for daring to stand up to ATT http://t.co/7rJAwVCu
# mkowens As far as I know, the Streaming API can access any tweet just like the REST API can.
# mkowens See. "Magic."
# barnabywalters thing is, I've found it to be unreliable. I've never had any more than two tweets in the result array, even if there were more in the thread
# barnabywalters yes, I suppose so
# mkowens Oh, you have to traverse the related_results yourself sometimes, check their related_results and then merge them together.
# barnabywalters wow.
# barnabywalters okay
# mkowens They state in their QoS statement that your client may have to handle "duplicate statuses, non-status messages, and <something else I can't remember"
# mkowens So I think some of that sort of processing is implied.
# mkowens It's certainly not as easy as it could be.
# barnabywalters do you know if each reply references the original (e.g. first in thread) tweet or just the previous one?
# mkowens There's no "thread." Anything that is a direct reply to another tweet should reference the tweet it directly replied to.
# barnabywalters so when a twitter client displays a 'thread' of tweets they're recursively calling related_results (or going up the in_reply_to_id ladder)
# mkowens Correct.
# mkowens And they miss "multiple replies" in the thread, too, usually as a result.
# barnabywalters okay. I may postpone this feature in favour of things which will not be quite so complicated :)
# mkowens For example, if I reply to "Tweet A" twice, creating "Tweet B" and "Tweet C", and then someone replies to "Tweet C" with "Tweet D" which you then see, the "reply chain" to "Tweet D" is A<-C<-D, and A<-B is a separate reply chain.
# barnabywalters sounds about right
# mkowens Whereas, if you were "threading" in the sense of a traditional comment thread system you would have A at the top level, B and C at the next level, and D below C on the next level.
# barnabywalters if it was a 2D comment thread, yep. I understand
# barnabywalters An interesting point: if you change include_entities to 0, you get a different structure of results https://api.twitter.com/1/related_results/show/185416199893561347.json?include_entities=0
# barnabywalters with things like ConverstaionRole: fork
# barnabywalters and 'score' (not sure of purpose)
# mkowens So, that's an Annotated tweet.
# mkowens Annotations is only available to a small subset of individuals.
# mkowens ConversationRole: fork, score:1.0, and kind:tweet are annotations.
# barnabywalters okay — can't find docs about them, what do they do?
# mkowens Annotations are an unreleased system of attaching custom, arbitrary structured data to tweets.
# mkowens They decided to not release them to the public, but a small handful of developer accounts still have access to them (including myself, I believe).
# mkowens Anyone who attended the annotations hackfest in 2010, I think, has access to them still.
# barnabywalters by 'access' you mean write access? seems like read access is public
# mkowens Creating them, that is. Reading them anyone can do with the undocumented annotations API.
# mkowens Yarr.
# barnabywalters beat me to it :)
# barnabywalters was it decided that they weren't useful, then?
# mkowens No
# mkowens I think we identified too many problems with them during the hackfest.
# mkowens lol
# barnabywalters they killed themselves at birth, then!
# mkowens Just to clarify: they never said why they didn't release them publicly. I'm definitely making an assumption in that regard. It's possible they didn't like the implications of how the annotations system could have changed the ecosystem.
# barnabywalters okay. so still in the pipeline but unlikely to be released
# mkowens Maybe?
# mkowens Either way, the code is all still there and if you have access to annotations, your apps can use them, which whatever app created this appears to be able to do (unless Twitter is themselves adding this data).
# barnabywalters well, it's interesting but I can't see it solving my problem. I think my best bet is to create some kind of uber-function that traverses up and down related_results and in_reply_to threads to get all related results
# mkowens Actually, it looks like only "ConversationRole" is an annotation. The others are showing up outside of the annotations section.
# barnabywalters or wait for twitter to provide a better endpoint
# mkowens So I'm not sure what "score" is.
# barnabywalters I've only ever seen a 'score' of 1, so I doubt it's actively being used
# mkowens Probably some sort of fraud/spam scoring system that they were tinkering with.
# barnabywalters I was just trying to find a spam tweet to test it with but I haven't been spammed lately
# mkowens Oh, now that's interesting. It appears that it *is* Twitter using those Annotations values.
# mkowens I just checked multiple different tweets within a single conversation.
# barnabywalters I can't see annotations on anything other than related_results with include_entities=0
# mkowens Oh. I can.
# barnabywalters is it a matter of adding a query string?
# mkowens (my account has access to Annotations though, which would make sense why I can see them)
# mkowens Meeting time. Be back later.
# barnabywalters bye for the mo
# barnabywalters thanks for the help
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