#indiewebcamp 2012-03-28

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tantek here's another social silo shutting down: http://socialtimes.com/yahoo-meme-is-closing-down-in-may_b92590
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tantek anyone heard of "Yahoo Meme" before?
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tantek "the site allowed users to share pictures, videos and status updates with friends. They also emphasized the sharing of music as MP3 files"
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tantek "The site first debuted in May of 2009…Meme blogs will be available up until May 25, 2012, and until then users can export their posts into a file to save them."
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mkowens tantek: I got an email from Yahoo Meme that just said "Thanks for being a Meme User\n- The Meme Team" and that was the entire body of the email.
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mkowens (or something similar)
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mkowens I never actually used it. It was basically a Tumblr clone.
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mkowens I registered for my URL and that's it.
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tantek wow
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mkowens http://imgur.com/zpFoF
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mkowens That was all it was.
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tantek and in other indieweb news - Twitter's t.co service experienced an outage, breaking all links on twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi/status/184779663875391488
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tantek why you should own your content, your links etc.
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@twitterapi We are currently experiencing a temporary issue resolving t.co links into Tweet Entities ^ARK
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aaronpk wow.. that's a fancy way of saying "we broke the internet"?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters] Making sense of the tangled mess of update/status/note/tweet content types #indieweb http://t.co/GXa8oycS
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tantek this is an interesting high-level article that touches on some of the same problems that the indieweb is addressing: http://boagworld.com/usability/are-you-forcing-your-users-into-social-silos/ via barnabywalters
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barnabywalters he makes some good points. The blog/forum interaction is something I've suggested to a few people but has never been implemented. I'd do it but I've never had a need
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tantek barnabywalters, I'm fairly convinced from a few key experiences that I don't want general open comments on my site. I *may* implement a whitelist based commenting system at some point.
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barnabywalters it's something I'm deliberating over at the mo
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tantek i.e. if you're on my blogroll, or I follow you on Twitter, then you can comment. that kind of thing.
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barnabywalters my plan is to pull in responses from the cloned content on related networks - on my scale it will be easy to manage
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tantek the average person, even the average friend of a friend, or following of a following, cannot really be trusted to not be trolling. some people I follow on Twitter themselves follow some trolls for example.
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barnabywalters And it's too much trouble to moderate everything. Hmm
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tantek yeah, pulling in responses from cloned content (what I call reverse-syndication in my diso2 summary) is a good approach.
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tantek right moderation is a pain
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tantek I don't want to even have to waste time moderating
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barnabywalters I call it backfeedback :)
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tantek hah - awesome
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tantek I kind of want to treat comments on my site like comments in my living room. I have to have already trusted you well enough to let you walk into my house, and hang out and have a conversation.
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tantek If I don't know you or feel comfortable with you, then you're likely not getting invited into my living room.
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tantek with some notable exceptions, like a sweetheart of a friend etc. (per XFN)
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tantek or perhaps even a date of a friend
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barnabywalters one thing that did occur to me was the domain messaging system that's mentioned somewhere on indiewebcamp
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tantek oh yeah - that's a fun hack that aaronpk and I thought up last year
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barnabywalters it sends a ping back to the supposed originating server to check to see if it's a legit message
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tantek right
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barnabywalters I thought it could be applied to commenting
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tantek it could be applied to lots of things
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barnabywalters better than trackback as it provides a more consistent interface
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tantek we thought about it as a building block
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tantek to build on
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tantek right
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tantek similar to pingback though
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tantek btw I like your thorough analysis of what portions of the post-type schema work for you and your site: http://waterpigs.co.uk/musings/post/post-type-schema
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barnabywalters yes, but potentially without the spam problems
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barnabywalters cheers, I've been using my site as a semi-wiki to document stuff as I go along, in case it can help others
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tantek great idea - really enjoying your thinking out loud
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barnabywalters helps me get things in order too — I had 'status' marked down as a content type until I actually wrote about it
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aaronpk yes great writeup! I really enjoy seeing this stuff written more
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tantek status is an odd one for sure
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tantek in my experience it requires in-person discussion before it makes sense
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tantek I'm still suspicious of its utility
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barnabywalters I'm still undecided about status vs note
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tantek but I have a few possible uses
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tantek statuses aren't notes, statuses tend to have some sort of temporally decaying relevance. that's the key insight.
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barnabywalters I'm determined that there should be something (preferably note) for meaningful articles without structure
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tantek right, that's note
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tantek I write long notes sometimes
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tantek status is more like IM status
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tantek like "away" or "on the phone"
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barnabywalters Well, I thought that for a while — but then where does all the nonsensical rubbish people post on twitter go?
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barnabywalters It has entertainment value, after all
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barnabywalters not meaningful enough for a note, but too wordy for the use of status you're proposing
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tantek I think the twitter nonsense you speak of is more note-like than status-like in general
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tantek though some folks do use twitter to post statuses
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tantek e.g. eating a cheese sandwich
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tantek would qualify as a status, its meaning/relevance decays with time.
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tantek the "shouts" on foursquare checkins are also statuses
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tantek as they're also typically only temporarily relevant
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barnabywalters okay, not familiar with those but I see the theme — statuses are extremely short (nanoblogging?) and decay very quickly
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barnabywalters but the difference between a status-note and an article-note is too large for me to consider them equal
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barnabywalters e.g. I would serve article-notes in a blog-type feed, but not status-notes
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barnabywalters well, signing off now. Bye for the mo.
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