#indiewebcamp 2012-04-28
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barnabywalters hey brennannovak — Just been checking out SocialIgniter
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brennannovak barnabywalters: heya sorry I missed your last msg, my old IRC client spazzed out
# barnabywalters np
# barnabywalters Haven't actually got an install going yet but just looking through the source
# barnabywalters I'm developing my own similar system using Codeigniter too
# brennannovak sweet, feel free to ask me any questions if you need any help getting it up and going :)
# barnabywalters thanks. Currently I've got a fairly solid IA (I think…) and I'm trying to get various bits of ostatus working
# brennannovak barnabywalters: how far along are you in your dev?
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# barnabywalters ah… not entirely sure how to express it. I've got a fairly stable live install at waterpigs.co.uk from which I can post notes and articles, and syndicate them to twitter and facebook
# barnabywalters as well as publish implied-activity atom activitstreams
# brennannovak barnabywalters: I've done quite a bit of dev on SI, the only pieces missing are the full OStatus implementation and an easy 1 click installer
# barnabywalters I am very tempted to switch over :) But I'm not keen on trying to modify other people's codebases to suit me
# barnabywalters what's missing from the ostatus implementation?
# brennannovak I believe the aspect missing is the syndication to other nodes (PubSub) or whatever. I stopped working on that aspect a while ago
# barnabywalters that's what I've been trying to implement today
# brennannovak in an ideal world, what do you need to have a platform "suit" you?
# brennannovak in that you worry about needing to modify other peoples code?
# barnabywalters I'm extremely picky about things like tags vs categories
# brennannovak how so?
# barnabywalters well, I don't like the convention of a 'category', and yet I think that tags aren't as useful as they could be
# barnabywalters on my site I plan to never use categories
# barnabywalters have tags to define the subject of an object
# barnabywalters and then implement sets
# barnabywalters e.g. photosets on flickr but for any content
# brennannovak what do you mean by "object" and implement "set"
# barnabywalters object = any piece of content (literally activitystreams object)
# barnabywalters and set… like a flickr photoset but that can contain any sort of object
# barnabywalters I like to organise things by project, and neither tag or category really fits that
# brennannovak right
# brennannovak is it a matter of semantically the word "category" that bugs you?
# barnabywalters well, yes. I find that it's used to define the subject of an object
# barnabywalters but I think tags do that better
# brennannovak I designed categories in SI to be abstracted and usable across different modules and in different ways within the modules
# brennannovak for instance in the "blog module" categories are for categories of articles like on traditional blogs, but in the "flickr module" I was going to use categories for Flickr's "sets"
# brennannovak the "categories" table actually has a "type" field for specifying the type of object or content one is publishing or importing
# barnabywalters and the categories can span multiple modules?
# brennannovak yes
# barnabywalters okay, that sounds pretty good
# barnabywalters can an object be in multiple categories?
# brennannovak I use it to differentiate all sorts of different types of content.. the "users module" uses it for friend groups
# brennannovak no, I did not design to do that just yet, but shouldn't be too hard to implement
# barnabywalters ah, that's interesting. So it's less of a user facing thing and more of an internal 'abstract collection'?
# brennannovak yes, precisely
# brennannovak I tried to design everything to as abstract collection oriented as possible
# barnabywalters okay. My use case is slightly different, I intend for sets to be mainly user facing things
# brennannovak but it's stored in some sort of data model right?
# barnabywalters yep
# brennannovak I misunderstood your word "internal" my categories are meant for user facing
# brennannovak probably the "taxonomy" table for tags is the only thing in the SI dB that doesn't store user facing data
# barnabywalters how exactly does the taxonomy system work in SI?
# brennannovak it's currently just a simple increment counter for the tags
# barnabywalters so tags is the user facing data and tags_link connects them to the taxonomy table?
# brennannovak yes
# brennannovak well, the taxonomy table is actually just storing "object_id" which could be a tag or anything really
# brennannovak I've never really used it that much except for tags
# barnabywalters so… what does the taxonomy table actually do?
# brennannovak keeps track of which tags have been used the most
# barnabywalters ah, okay
# brennannovak I've actually been thinking about making categories, tags, and ratings into a separate module so ppl such as yourself can choose to hack and modify to suit your needs (As well as reduce the core install size)
# barnabywalters got to go now (getting late here)
# barnabywalters thanks for that
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