#indiewebcamp 2012-06-05
2012-06-05 UTC
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Nadreck Ping? Anyone around that's comfortable with IndieAuth troubleshooting?
# Nadreck Awesome :)
# Nadreck I tried setting up IndieAuth using the text example from the indieauth site, but when it tries to authenticate, it throws an error.
# Nadreck "You just authenticated as Nadreck but your website linked to https://twitter.com/nadreck"
# Nadreck Curious, myself. I tried adjusting the link, revoking the twitter app, and retrying.. same error.
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# Nadreck Interesting :)
# Nadreck Awesome, thanks! Trying to sign up for IndieWebCamp, as it's a topic I care a fair bit about.
# Nadreck Works now, fantastic :)
# Nadreck Danke tantek :). Actually it was your conversation on #mozpdx that reminded me to go sign up.
# Nadreck It occurs to me that it'd be pretty excellent to ping some of the #openbadges and #identity/persona folks to see if they're interested.
# Nadreck Yeah, it was definitely odd. That said, looking at the error, it did look like it was getting parsed into lowercase at some point
# Nadreck There are a few folks that have mentioned trying to get it working for some projects, such as implementing OB for the Ann Arbor Maker Faire.
# Nadreck It's worth noting: I'm just interested and lurking in those groups, I'm not actually a mozillian currently, so I'm not sure how much clout I'll have, but I'll bring it up on the mailers.
# Nadreck Will do! Anything else you could use a hand with?
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# nadreck.me created /User:Nadreck (+164) "Created page with "== Nabil Maynard == Infovore, with a focus on social computing, identity, and online community user experiences. * http://nadreck.me * http://www.criticalgames.com"" (view diff)
# Nadreck Jeez Loqi, gotta tell all my secrets?
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tantek.com edited /2012 (+146) "/* to-do */ move Andi's google doc to be a to-do item to process" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /To-do (-223) "move Andi's googledoc to be processed on the 2012 to-do list" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2011/Planning (+108) "l planners, sort family-name, link to current planning page!" (view diff)
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tantek Nadreck - indeed! IndieWebCamp is completely self-organized/run by a small group of planners and volunteers - sign-up on the volunteer page: http://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#volunteers
# tantek sees that http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/Planning works
# Nadreck Hm, which is correct? On the main page, it says the venue is being provided by Geoloqi, but on the Planning page, the venue is listed as Urban Airship.
# tantek.com edited /2011/Guest_List (+56) "updated the check out the current page header at the top" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2011/Guest_List (+10) "/* Official Guest List */ 2011 links to 2011" (view diff)
# Nadreck is helpful! Sometimes in real life!
# Nadreck Putting together an email to send out to openbadges, but I suppose it's not really needed to list the venue.
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# dascher huh, thx.
# Nadreck Will do -- that's actually part of what I do for a living (software test engineer, working on games and websites)
# Nadreck Can do, will do
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barnabywalters anyone here with experience implementing a PuSH publisher client who could give me a bit of help? I'm having difficulties
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# barnabywalters tantek: did you do anything special to get your activitystream working as a remote subscription on identica?
# barnabywalters I'm having real trouble and the people on #statusnet haven't been able to help much
# barnabywalters I thought that might be it — I can't seem to get that working properly either, but now I've got a nice valid stream I'll have another crack at it
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@pkbot mentioned in #indiewebcamp 2012-05-28 http://t.co/ENzTcfVq [Google Alerts]
# barnabywalters the other thing I can't figure out is how you get your bio information shown on the 'confirm subscription' page
# barnabywalters some of it seems to be parsed out of your homepage, I can't figure out where the photo comes from though
# barnabywalters thanks — I think it's the backend ping that I need to get working properly
# barnabywalters yep, but it's not working for me
# barnabywalters although I just checked and apparently my hcard isn't valid
# barnabywalters …for reasons that I can't quite fathom. Apparently I have multiple fns…
# barnabywalters ah, that's good to know
# barnabywalters I fixed it anyway — it was hiding in one of the links
# barnabywalters p for preferred?
# barnabywalters identica's parsing still isn't working — picks up nothing apart from the name for me, and disjointed info for you: http://public.waterpigs.co.uk/images/ttk-identica.png
# tantek p meaning generic "property" - the microformats-2 class names all have short prefixes indicating what they mean/do: http://ufs.cc/w/microformats-2
# barnabywalters that looks great
# barnabywalters even more straightforward than the current classes
# barnabywalters I doubt identica are using microformats-2, but I'll implement them and see if that makes any difference
# barnabywalters will do
# barnabywalters the namespacing aspecy is particularly useful — I did end up with clashing class names previously
# barnabywalters *aspect
# barnabywalters true (thinking more in terms of php namespacing, which no-one uses anyway)
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singpolyma I'm still uncomfortable about the weird prefix hacks in mf2, but other people seem to like it
# barnabywalters well, it hasn't changed the way identica parses my hcard, so I'm going to give up on that and try to get PuSH working
# barnabywalters singpolyma: referring to a prefix in particular or the prefixes in general?
# singpolyma barnabywalters: the way the type information leaks into the markup (such as with "p-") feels like bad markup to me, personally
# singpolyma because then I end up having semantic class names *and* microformats-specific class names
# barnabywalters do you prefer the class-value pattern?
# singpolyma I'm not sure what you mean by that.
# singpolyma I like existing microformats (most of them), because they use existing page semantics
# barnabywalters I had it the wrong way round :)
# barnabywalters that's where I had a problem — my .note was for use in a different place to the hcard .note, so I had to work around it
# singpolyma oh, the value-class-pattern is orthogonal. not related to the question of properties and semantics
# singpolyma why did you have to work around it? you couldn't change the classname?
# barnabywalters well, yes
# barnabywalters that would have been a different sort of work around
# singpolyma I've sort of reached a point where I consider the microformats specs as authoratative as the HTML specs. I reference both sets of specs equally when deciding what markup should be on a page I'm designing
# singpolyma So, if I see a piece of markup that uses microformats-defined semantics in a way that differs from the spec, I consider that "wrong" in the same way that deviating from the HTML-defined semanitcs is wrong
# singpolyma normally
# singpolyma sort of like the way LaTeX extends TeX
# barnabywalters in my case, I considered using 'note' to refer to an activitystream note had higher priority than using it to refer to an hcard note
# singpolyma hmm... interesting. yeah, the activitystreams people should have done a better job of that sort of thing, but when I suggested it (repeatedly) I was told they weren't interested in HTML-based representations
# singpolyma and then, like a year later, MySpace needed them
# singpolyma but whatever
# barnabywalters I must say I'm not keen on the naming of the 'note' object type
# barnabywalters in fact it took me a while to figure out what the difference was between 'note', 'status' and 'update'
# singpolyma yeah
# singpolyma activitystreams sort of became a beast
# singpolyma design-by-comitte
# barnabywalters so much so I wrote a blog post about it to save other people the trouble :|
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# singpolyma ?
# barnabywalters is there any string that Loqi won't randomly interpret?
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# barnabywalters wow
# barnabywalters I wonder if you can get negative karma?
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# barnabywalters I'm off now, thanks for the help
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# Alphi is there going to be an option to attend remotely?
# tantek.com edited /2012/Guest_List (+156) "/* Official Guest List */ create remote participants section with Tilgovi who can't make it person" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2012/Planning (+109) "added UA as sponsor for snacks and beer" (view diff)
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@erinjo I'm looking forward to speaking on a panel at the Personal Democracy Forum next week in NYC. We're covering #indieweb http://t.co/mVyeA7gx
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