#indiewebcamp 2012-07-05

2012-07-05 UTC
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matt.lee.name edited /2013/Guest_List (-123) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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matt.lee.name edited /2013/Guest_List (+584) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+0) "sort, count++" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell tantek https://www.google.com/search?q="%23indiewebcamp"&tbs=sbd:1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1970&as_sitesearch=tantek.com URL parameters: q="%23hashtag" tbs=sbd:1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1970 as_sitesearch=tantek.com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk note: google does not make search suggestions for search terms that include a hashtag, see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/7505593740/
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Loqi 3 files modified, 2 new files, 1 files removed in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/c39efc7257a7...e9232bbe522b
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Loqi evanp: Add a start script
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Loqi evanp: move app.js to lib/server.js
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Loqi evanp: use server library
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Loqi evanp: better resolution of relative paths
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benatkin.com edited /2013/Planning (+103) "/* volunteers */" (view diff)
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benatkin.com edited /Main_Page (+22) "/* When */ add link (had a square bracket at the end that wasn't doing anything)" (view diff)
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benatkin.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+285) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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@xtof_fr La communauté #CrowdfundingCamp mériterait de partir sur l'#indieweb ? FYI plein de domaines libres pour l'ensemencement.
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@adambyrtek I wholeheartedly agree with the ideals of the #indieweb, but the main problem is that there are no usable tools yet.
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@SpideysHero New Show. New Style. New Name. But it won't be the same without the boys. Stay tuned! #IndieWeb #IndieRock #Mississauga
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Loqi 1 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/e9232bbe522b...49745feb34aa
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Loqi evanp: Use an in-process app instead of spawning a separate app
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Loqi 2 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/49745feb34aa...f0cef19c7de3
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Loqi evanp: add a test for looking up known IDs
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Loqi evanp: Update NOTICE file
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Loqi 2 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/f0cef19c7de3...8b4add98a138
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Loqi evanp: Change Person.getIdentifiers() so it returns strings
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message on 7/4 at 8:21pm: https://www.google.com/search?q="%23indiewebcamp"&tbs=sbd:1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1970&as_sitesearch=tantek.com URL parameters: q="%23hashtag" tbs=sbd:1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1970 as_sitesearch=tantek.com
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tantek thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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Loqi 5 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/8b4add98a138...234bc263f445
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Loqi evanp: export constructors for dataobject modules
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Loqi 3 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/234bc263f445...ec8b32faf444
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Loqi evanp: Timestamps
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Loqi evanp: add timestamps
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tantek Loqi, which github repos do you watch?
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek welcome erinjo
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aaronpk so far just openfollow
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aaronpk there is a URL you can put into github's web hooks and commits will show up here
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tantek I saw that mime created the /indieweb org on github
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erinjo Buon giorno Loqi
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aaronpk ah yes
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tantek !tell mime saw that you created the "indieweb" organization on github, mind adding fellow IndieWebCamp attendees to it, perhaps in an "IndieWebCamp2012" group?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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erinjo What's the weather like tomorrow Loqi?
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tantek good morning all
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Loqi morning. Clear and 65 degrees
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erinjo Loqi, do you know the weather tomorrow?
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erinjo Loqi, are you ignoring me?
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tantek !tell erinjo sorry I'm not ignoring you.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi erinjo: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: sorry I'm not ignoring you.
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tantek aaronpk - so apparently Loqi doesn't pass along a message to someone who happens to already be in the channel - they have to leave and rejoin?
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erinjo Loqi, are you awake?
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aaronpk I thought he'd wait until they say something next
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aaronpk !tell tantek testing
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk tantek: now say something
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aaronpk erinjo: loqi isn't very responsive to direct communication, he mostly waits to chime in on existing conversations
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erinjo silly bot
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donpdonp a botsnack might get his attention
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tantek hello
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 3 minutes ago: testing
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aaronpk cool
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tantek aaronpk - just remembered, could we change "dev camp" in the site header to "creator camp"
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tantek (in our ongoing effort to make the site more inclusive of non-coders)
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aaronpk yes! done
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tantek cc: erinjo
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tantek :)
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tantek I mean :(
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tantek lol
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tantek !tell erinjo try asking Loqi to VERB all the NOUNs (pick your own VERB and NOUN).
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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donpdonp dev camp or creator camp
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donpdonp hmm i was expecting loqi to choose
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tantek from the quantified self session this past weekend, I really like the framing of "how outie-web can be indieweb friendly" - http://indiewebcamp.com/2012/Quantified_Self
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tantek if silos provide realtime update hooks for indieweb sites, then they're essentially acting as server-based client applications for updating your indieweb site
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donpdonp webhooks ftw
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tantek.com edited /2012/Quantified_Self (-3) "typo, from, date" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+97) "add photo column to increase name/face recognition, shorten my project descriptions to tighten-up the table" (view diff)
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tantek ok indiewebcamp 2013 RSVP'd folks - add your 128px wide (preferably square) photos, e.g. by hotlinking to a photo on your own domain (so when you change it, it automatically works on the RSVP list) http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List
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tantek (I'm using the convention of /logo.jpg as a 128x128px avatar on my domain)
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aaronpk why 128px?
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aaronpk I'd go for something larger, like 256 or 512.
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aaronpk 512px is the size Apple has you upload your app icon for the itunes store
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tantek because it auto-sizes into a table nicely
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tantek it's a nice auto-size default for the web
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tantek otherwise you need all kinds of annoying markup to resize it
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tantek e.g. in a wiki
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aaronpk ah right cause you're hotlinking it from your site, not uploading it?
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tantek and it keeps the size (in bytes) small so hotlinking is negligible
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tantek right
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tantek so I just update it on my site, and it updates everywhere it is hotlinked - very indieweb like
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tantek also, the size(bytes) is under the max that many sites allow for avatar uploads
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+34) "/* Creators */ added photo" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - nice photo!
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aaronpk thanks! It's brand new!
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tantek my /photo.jpg is currently 373px (sq) but I may upgrade that to 512px
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tantek (that's what I use on my site home page)
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aaronpk I kind of want to use the convention /photo-128.jpg so I can have a bunch of sizes
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tantek I use /logo.jpg for 128px
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tantek I use "logo" and "photo" as terms from vCard/hCard
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tantek in practice I've only need those two sizes
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tantek an avatar size, and a larger size for higher-res site displays
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tantek I also have a print-resolution large size for events and such, but that just sits on my bio page / served by Flickr.
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:indie-web-camp-2012.jpg]]""
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aaronparecki.com edited /Main_Page (+230) "added group photo" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /File:indie-web-camp-2012.jpg (+88) (view diff)
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tantek nicely cropped photo!
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aaronpk thanks! slightly touched up and color corrected as well
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aaronpk reidab: any chance you could upload your indiewebcamp group photo to flickr? I have a feeling it came out better than mine
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tantek benatkin, brennannovak - add your 128px wide avatar photos to your 2013 RSVP! http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List
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brennannovak tantek: oooh, purty! I'm on it, like stat!
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brennannovak tantek: interesting, yours and aarons photos both live at the root of your domains tantek.com/logo.jpg and aaronparecki.com/photo.jpg is this a move towards doing something like favicon for indieweb people nodes?
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aaronpk yes, not necessarily standardized like favicon.ico, but this way I can update the photo on my site and it propagates to everywhere it's embedded automatically
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tantek brennannovak, it made sense to me. I re-used "logo" and "photo" as terms from vCard/hCard, and then made logo 128px sq for the reasons stated above
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brennannovak aaronpk: tantek: cool!
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brennannovak.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+79) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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brennannovak.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+12) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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tantek and Brennannovak discovers that mediawiki doesn't seem to like <img> tags :/
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tantek.com edited /2013/Guest_List (-2) "hack the gravatar URL with a fake "fext" parameter at the end so you can use it to embed images in MediaWiki" (view diff)
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aaronpk nice trick
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tantek :D
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tantek aaronpk - I actually prefer the size param trick that Gravatar uses rather than serving image-256.jpg etc.
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tantek let the server do dynamic resizing if necessary
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tantek less maintenance
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aaronpk true
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tantek brennannovak - mediawiki doesn't support <img> markup unfortunately
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brennannovak tantek: yah I realized that... heh. Fixin an image on my node #reasonsihatemediawiki
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aaronpk hehe mediawiki can be finicky sometimes
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aaronpk s/sometimes/all the time
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: hehe mediawiki can be finicky all the time
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tantek lol
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aaronpk that's one of the reasons i'm moving my personal site off of it
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brennannovak +1
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Loqi aaronpk has 26 karma
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tantek ah interesting
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brennannovak ?
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tantek useful for indieweb quantified self hacking with existing devices (getting their data to your own site rather than their servers) http://www.openyou.org/ (via donpdonp)
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benatkin.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+30) "/* Creators */ add my photo" (view diff)
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benatkin tantek: nice additon
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benatkin just added mine
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brennannovak oooh open source Emotive EPOC drivers allow for raw data access
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dreeves openyou.org is great. i see someone has reverse engineered the withings protocol so you can disintermediate withings's server
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dreeves of course, thanks to our indiewebcamp hack you can now capture your own data live from beeminder (if you don't mind it passing through *both* withings's and beemdinder's servers!)
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aaronpk lol
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brennannovak it's an interesting line- reverse engineering a companies software, even when they offer a free / open API
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tantek I'm really curious what "technical error" caused all of San Diego's fireworks to go off at once last night: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/04/fireworks-dont-go-expected-san-diego/?sciquest and http://grist.org/list/san-diego-set-off-all-its-fireworks-at-once-and-holy-crap-it-looked-amazing/#.T_X_LxyGr8g.twitter and video: youtu.be/4ifn8LJl5n0
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tantek make that video: http://youtu.be/4ifn8LJl5n0
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Loqi 1 new files in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/ec8b32faf444...c70ac62bc658
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Loqi evanp: Add an edge class
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+1659) "me.com, plazes.com, picplz.com have all shut down. more Geocities details and links" (view diff)
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@t "You still need your own website" by @macslocum on O'Reilly @Radar: http://t.co/DYkApMVG #indieweb #ownyourdata (ttk.me t4Jm2)
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tantek someone who's good with framing/cropping - grab the "Closed" sign at http://www.me.com/ and post to Flickr please
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aaronpk tantek: tantek http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/7510765460/in/photostream
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@radar MT @t "You still need your own website" by @macslocum http://t.co/yOMBBJsf #indieweb #ownyourdata (ttk.me t4Jm2)
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aaronpk oops double mention
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tantek what's an MT?
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aaronpk modified tweet
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mkowens MT just seems weird to me. :-P
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aaronpk totally
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tantek fascinating
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tantek MT = movable type, or media temple
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+166) "mobileme "Closed." screenshot" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+414) "apple support articles re mobileme" (view diff)
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brennannovak me.com shutting down could be a boon to our cause- it seems many normal people argue "trusting in a large company like Apple is 'safe' because they're so big they'll never stop using such a large service"
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Wraithan brennannovak++
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Loqi brennannovak has 3 karma
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tantek Holy crap: http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/cisco-locks-customers-out-of-t.html
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aaronpk whoa
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tantek have to quote this for the archives:
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tantek "their devices automatically downloaded a new operating system, which locked out device owners. After the update, the only way to reconfigure your router was to create an account on Cisco's "cloud" service, signing up to a service agreement that gives Cisco the right to spy on your Internet use and sell its findings, and also gives them the right to disconnect you (and lock you out of your router) whenever they feel like it."
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tantek WTF
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aaronpk that is just so wrong on so many levels
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mkowens Yeah. That's a pretty ridiculous move by Cisco.
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mkowens We were talking about that yesterday at benward's and my BBQ
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Loqi mime: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 28 minutes ago: saw that you created the "indieweb" organization on github, mind adding fellow IndieWebCamp attendees to it, perhaps in an "IndieWebCamp2012" group?
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tantek goes to update his entry on the 2012 RSVP list
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tantek.com edited /2012/Guest_List (-36) "edit projects list, add github" (view diff)
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tantek mime - seems like many folks list their github on the RSVP page: http://indiewebcamp.com/2012/Guest_List#Creators
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