#indiewebcamp 2012-07-06

2012-07-06 UTC
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Loqi 2 files modified, 1 new files in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/c70ac62bc658...3c616b9fa830
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Loqi evanp: Initial tests for Identifier class
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Loqi evanp: start canonicalizing identifiers
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Loqi evanp: canonicalize from and to in Edge
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benatkin brennannovak++
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Loqi brennannovak has 4 karma
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Loqi 2 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/3c616b9fa830...fcebfbba8430
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Loqi evanp: Canonicalize Twitter identities
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Loqi evanp: Canonicalize an ID if we're querying on it
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Loqi evanp: Use canonical version of Twitter ID in test
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Loqi 2 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/fcebfbba8430...24231d0c80bb
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@AndrewKorf You still need your own website: http://t.co/0FapDubM A blog post from the future. #indieweb /via @haxor @macslocum /cc @firasd @stoweboyd
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Loqi 2 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/24231d0c80bb...83b12a8c07e5
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Loqi evanp: Identifier.unify() method
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@fpgsmtest2 #SXSW #indieweb: go ACC Ballroom BC now for "Breaking Down Walls, a Decentralized Social Web?" with @evanpro @t #SXasocialweb (ttk.me t4Gs1)
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@indiewebcamp @adambyrtek you're right. That's exactly what inspired the creator-focused IndieWebCamp•com: to create, live, breathe usable #indieweb tools
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tantek aaronpk, I've implemented date-ordered (most recent first) search on tantek.com thanks to the tips you shared
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tantek with a minor tweak
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tantek the 'tbs' param value that you suggested was already URL escaped - it needs to be unescaped for use in an input type=hidden
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tantek e.g.
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tantek <input type="hidden" name="tbs" value="sbd:1,cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/1970"/>
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tantek that plus the as_sitesearch as a hidden input:
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tantek <input type="hidden" name="as_sitesearch" value="tantek.com"/>
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tantek does the trick when added to the visible 'q' input text field:
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tantek <input type="search" name="q"/>
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tantek altogether in a block of <form> code:
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tantek <form class="search" action="http://www.google.com/search" method="get">
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tantek <input type="hidden" name="as_sitesearch" value="tantek.com"/>
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tantek <input type="hidden" name="tbs" value="sbd:1,cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/1970"/>
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tantek <input type="search" name="q"/>
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tantek <button type="submit">Search</button>
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tantek </form>
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tantek that's likely worth an IndieWeb how-to blog post
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tantek (for indieweb blogs that implement PuSH at least)
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@xtof_fr Wired : #Wiki Inventor Sticks a Fork in His Baby http://t.co/L8iCMZen #indieweb
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@julien51 @marshallk :) I was hoping to see you last weekend for #indiewebcamp. Of have shown u the butler and you'd loved it!
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Loqi evanp: Unify identifiers when Edge and inverted Edge are created
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Loqi 1 files modified, 1 new files in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/83b12a8c07e5...1b7edecdc9dd
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Loqi 1 files modified in evanp/openfollow/master by evanp https://github.com/evanp/openfollow/compare/1b7edecdc9dd...d626454b6b50
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Loqi evanp: complementary -> inverted
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tantek good day all - happy leet-o-clock (PDT)
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aaronpk w00t
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Loqi yay!
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tantek I was thinking of creating a set of metrics for measuring the "indieweb"ness of individual sites, so that we could measure both our own individual progress and collectively
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aaronpk that's an interesting idea!
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tantek perhaps into areas and then levels in each area
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tantek how about "indiemark" as a working name for this?
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aaronpk indierank?
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tantek I thought about rank - but rank implies a serial order
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aaronpk I would want it to fit into a sentence like "My site's ____ is 8/10" or "What ____ did your site get?"
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aaronpk but that's true about the order
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tantek because there are several areas, and you can be ahead or behind in any particular area, I thought "mark" was better, similar to the "ringmark" effort at W3C
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tantek except ours would actually be sensible
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aaronpk lol
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tantek a lot of this is based on my Diso 2.0 thinking which contains multiple dimensions of independence / self-reliance / robustness: http://tantek.com/2010/034/t2/diso-2-personal-domains-shortener-hatom-push-relmeauth
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tantek one of the challenges of any "*-mark" system is to figure out abstract levels that one technology can satisfy today and another could replace tomorrow.
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tantek any ranking/mark system that depends on a specific technology tends to either look silly after a while, or unfortunately cause people to waste time implementing obsolete technologies just to earn a specific level
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tantek alright, that's probably enough to start braindumping on a wiki page
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aaronpk just realized that also I wouldn't want an x/10 score because some of the points I may not feel the need for
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Wraithan 13:36:53 @tantek | good day all - happy leet-o-clock (PDT)
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Wraithan lol'd
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aaronpk #9 in your list is a good example... maybe I don't want comments on my site at all, so I will never hit that point
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tantek note #9 is edit/comment authorization
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tantek so you could for example satisfy that by having a white-list of folks who you allow to make edits to your post per http://indiewebcamp.com/sign-in-use-cases#minor_edits
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tantek one of the reasons I want to do this as a "mark" with areas/levels is that IMHO "SWAT0" was too hard and unsustainable - that is - I believe some implementations claimed to pass SWAT0, but that perhaps only Statusnet is still around?
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aaronpk oh yes... SWAT0
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tantek it also prioritized the wrong things (IMHO) from an *indieweb* perspective
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aaronpk right
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tantek I mean, it made sense from the FSW framing at the time perspective.
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aaronpk yea, the other nice thing is that whatever ranking/mark system this ends up being will also help give people an idea of the kinds of goals of the indieweb in an easy to consume manner
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tantek e.g. cliqset(.com) is gone - and I think it was used to pass SWAT0
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tantek I don't even know if we have 3 implementations that can be used to pass SWAT0 any more.
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tantek I'm not sure how "easy to consume" it will be - though that should be a goal
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tantek BTW - I'm still a bit annoyed/bitter how W3C effectively killed the FSW effort. They took over the wiki, required you to join the W3C "Federated Social Web Incubator Group" (previous logins were dropped) and then eventually closed that group.
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tantek I have no idea how to edit: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SWAT0
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tantek and I wrote most of it!
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aaronpk yea really! What have they done since then? There was a conference call or something later, right?
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aaronpk "Please join the new (January 2012) W3C Federated Social Web Community Group ! Some links and information on this Wiki need to be updated." ?
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tantek yeah
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aaronpk hey they linked to indiewebcamp on the main page!
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tantek yeah! User:Pelf did that
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tantek http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=1065&oldid=1064
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tantek whoa - he doesn't use money: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/User:Pelf
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aaronpk how is that even possible?
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tantek well it says he has "nomadic lifestyle"
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tantek looks like he installed Diaspora on his domain but didn't get much further: https://wwelves.org/
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tantek aaronpk - btw did you get my error reports about the feed (e.g. splitting entries on ";" etc.) ?
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tantek apparently yes - as the feed no longer does that :)
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aaronpk hm I don't remember seeing that
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tantek start here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2012-07-04#t1341437030
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aaronpk oh strange
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aaronpk looks like it's in the logs too, not just the xml file
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tantek anybody else here use WordPress on their primary self-identifying site?
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tantek and specifically, anybody who came to IndieWebCamp 2012?
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tantek.com edited /projects (+1245) "update a few attendees using vs. other independents using, add StatusNet section and Evan. note explicit subsorting by number of indiewebcamp users using" (view diff)
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tantek next IndieWebCamp we should certainly do a survey of who is running what on their primary domain and then update the Projects page accordingly.
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tantek.com edited /projects (+16) "/* explorations */ IndieMark, going to put down some ideas to start this off" (view diff)
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@haxor @stoweboyd We think it's important for the #indieweb. Old news to you. Vast majority of people have no idea. This is part of the problem.
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tantek.com created /IndieMark (+2098) "draft collection of ideas for a start" (view diff)
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