#indiewebcamp 2012-08-21

2012-08-21 UTC
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@natevw @caseorganic Maybe that #indiewebcamp idea wasn't so far fetched after all: http://t.co/ZDBXLPqc
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 8/20 at 2:22pm: does salmon depend on webfinger, or is it an optional pluggable component? or can we use indieauth instead to make it URL based identity/discovery, rather than using .well-known and email addresses?
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barnabywalters thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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barnabywalters tantek_ (underscore?): awkward question. Salmon defines webfinger as the standard way of getting hold of a public key, but for magic signatures the transport doesn't matter
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barnabywalters so yes, we could easily re-jig things to require less faffing around. webfinger should in theory work with real URLs as well as email address-like identifiers, but there's not an awful lot of reason to perform all the LRDD lookups/parsing and such crap -- apart from backwards compatibility with statusnet
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tantek_ barnabywalters - let's minimize the faffing about with LRDD / webfinger and use the minimal indie URL-centric approach - as that's more of an indieweb way of doing things
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tantek_ I bet we can get statusnet to add support for indie URL / indieauth / relmeauth based identity/discovery for the key / signatures
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tantek_ it should be less work than the webfinger stuff
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tantek_ that would be a good Salmon extension to write-up - how to do Salmon with RelMeAuth
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barnabywalters tantek_: heh, more than likely
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tantek_ and great to see you can make it IndieWebCampUK!
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barnabywalters tantek_: looking forward to it! Not sure if adactio is going to let brennannovak transfer his dConstruct ticket to me but I'm coming up regardless
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barnabywalters even if I can't go to dConstruct, I'll go to maker faire and do some busking in Brighton
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barnabywalters the only advantage to using webfinger at all is the usability aspect of email addresses > URLs for identifying people
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barnabywalters once we eliminate that, all the info contained within webfinger can be represented in an hcard and a <head> full of <links>
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barnabywalters ha, I like that. "A <head> full of <links>" might become my new tagline
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tantek_ :)
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tantek_ hCard should be able to do it all visibly, if it can't, let's figure out how to do so
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barnabywalters got to go (repairing a guitar and the soldering iron's heated up now), be back in a 20 mins or so
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tantek_ visible discovery is much more dependable than invisible (<link>) and especially DRY-violating sidefile (LRDD) discovery
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tantek_ not clear that email addresses are actually better in terms of being more "indie"
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tantek_ because they end up making you depend on a big provider
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tantek_ just like a big provider for you content / blog posts etc.
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tantek_ who might decided to revoke your account
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tantek_ (as documented on indiewebcamp.com/why )
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tantek_ and if you're using your own domain name for your email address, e.g. example@example.com
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tantek_ then typing just example.com is *more* usable (less typing)
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tantek_ so that's the thing, URLs are more usable for the indieweb than email addresses
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barnabywalters tantek_: well, the my main argument against *web*finger IDs is: it's *web*finger, on the indie*web*, so why are we using an email-like *internet* id?!
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barnabywalters s/the my/my
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: tantek_: well, my main argument against *web*finger IDs is: it's *web*finger, on the indie*web*, so why are we using an email-like *internet* id?!
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tantek_ hah!
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tantek_ that's certainly true
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barnabywalters bbiab, repairing a guitar
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tantek_ ok
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tantek_ ugh: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/how-youtube-lets-content-companies-claim-nasa-mars-videos/
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tantek_ more Youtube contentid madness
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barnabywalters finished the repair! Was just a grounding problem. I didn't have to disembowel the guitar too much, thankfully
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barnabywalters tantek_: that is nuts
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barnabywalters particularly the commenter saying a video with a soundtrack of white noise was claimed by some "copyright" holder!
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barnabywalters brennannovak: are you around?
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brennannovak barnabywalters: yah, was just heading to a cafe and will online to chat in like 10 minutes. Will you be here still?
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barnabywalters sure
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barnabywalters tantek: did you see I mentioned I'm up for managing remote participation at IWCUK?
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tantek yes!
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tantek oh drat he left
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tantek it's all yours barnabywalters
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