#indiewebcamp 2012-09-14

2012-09-14 UTC
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tommorris !tell tantek, requiring email confirmation is pretty easy, just a tweak to LocalSettings.php - http://wiki.johnjosephbachir.org/Requiring_Email_Confirmation_to_Edit_in_MediaWiki
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris !tell tantek, otherwise mediawiki.org has a list of anti-spam strategies - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris !tell tantek, I've been lobbying mediawiki.org developers to consider making a No-Spam-by-Default release of MediaWiki with all the sensible anti-spam settings set by default.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris I seem to be doing a bit of a double act with posts.
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tommorris ah no, Loqi is. aaronpk!
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Loqi :)
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@tommorris Managed to get ticket for @barcampbrighton. Hopefully, #indiewebcamp-originated project I'm working on will be in a state I can present it.
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Loqi tantek: tommorris left you a message 7 hours, 12 minutes ago: requiring email confirmation is pretty easy, just a tweak to LocalSettings.php - http://wiki.johnjosephbachir.org/Requiring_Email_Confirmation_to_Edit_in_MediaWiki
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Loqi tantek: tommorris left you a message 7 hours, 11 minutes ago: otherwise mediawiki.org has a list of anti-spam strategies - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam
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Loqi tantek: tommorris left you a message 7 hours, 10 minutes ago: I've been lobbying mediawiki.org developers to consider making a No-Spam-by-Default release of MediaWiki with all the sensible anti-spam settings set by default.
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tommorris hey tantek
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tantek oh hey good morning :)
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Loqi good morning! Clear and 58 degrees
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tantek goes to edit the microformats wiki to add those URLs.
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tantek off to breakfast, bbiab!
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tantek tommorris - thanks again for the tips. if you have more suggestions, feel free to add them to http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#wiki directly. Thanks! Plus, you should hang out in #microformats :)
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tommorris #microformats is on my join-list, but I'm using Colloquy as IRC Cloud is being a pest
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tommorris plus, just worked out all the hard geo-math stuff for the OSM 4sq clone
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tommorris just had to make an opinionated decision about developing the OSM thing: http://tommorrisbeta.herokuapp.com/posts/26
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barnabywalters tommorris: woo metric!
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tommorris I got my first geotagged post up too.
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barnabywalters fab! do you have a feed we can subscribe to yet?
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tommorris not yet
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aaronpk tommorris: woo for not supporting miles!
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tommorris planning to bang out an Atom feed on the train tomorrow
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barnabywalters there's quite a comprehensive writeup on the wiki
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barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_your_realtime_feed
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tommorris Yep, just found that
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barnabywalters fab
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tommorris I'm thinking of trying to somehow plonk the shortened content in the XML feed
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tommorris as in, tweetlength
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barnabywalters it took aaronpk and myself some time to figure out exactly how to satisfy statusnet for feeds
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tommorris wait, object-type. really, they reference the URL of the object type in the text node?
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barnabywalters tommorris: how are you currently posting to your blog? custom UI?
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tommorris yup
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tommorris people really ought to ask my permission before coming up with XML formats.
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barnabywalters :) the activitystrea.ms wiki and process is open to all…
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barnabywalters can we have a screenshot of your UI?
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tommorris https://skitch.com/tommorris/e16bn/on-page-posting
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barnabywalters I think we should all have a 'meta' tag/category detailing a bit about how our sites work, with some screenshots
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tommorris oh, that's old
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barnabywalters nice and simple!
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tommorris it has a few extra bits now
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tommorris https://skitch.com/tommorris/euwgu/ferocity-on-page-post
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barnabywalters most of the content in my meta tag is quite out of date, too. I don't have a nice editing UI yet :|
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barnabywalters what does the little circle thing do?
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tommorris so, the little circular blob is geolocation
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barnabywalters ah, nice
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tommorris this post has geolocation - http://tommorrisbeta.herokuapp.com/posts/20
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barnabywalters I haven't added that yet — need to get authorization working so I can expose locations only to people I know
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tommorris and, yes, that was about the most intelligent thing I could find to say while on the bus and typing on my phone.
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barnabywalters yay! operator FF plugin picked the location up!
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barnabywalters nice one
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Loqi woot
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tommorris that's kind of bare location. when it's with a location check-in, there'll be a few lines about the place
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tommorris so, it'll be a little thing with like the name of the venue, the type of venue, a link to the OSM page, a link to the venue homepage and address. depends on what information the OSM API has returned
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barnabywalters aaronpk: where's that demo you did of your checkins? has that happened yet?
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barnabywalters tommorris: any fallbacks for OSM not working/breaking URLs? is that required?
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tommorris not really
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tommorris I might periodically fire off a script that would spider the OSM links and tell me any which are broken
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barnabywalters tommorris: sounds like a good plan
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barnabywalters still debating what to do for my contacts redirection
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barnabywalters probably lookup URL and redirect there if it exists, otherwise display my minimal stored info
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tommorris currently my tag filter is… everything has to have a name
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tommorris of those, a select group of 'amenity' tags, a select group of 'shop' tags, anything that has a 'cuisine' tag. there's a few other tags that pull in venues people might want to check into: sport, for instance.
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tommorris If I can get the OSM demo working, I might present it at BarCamp Brighton
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tommorris interestingly, OSM has 58.6 million tagged buildings.
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barnabywalters tommorris: what *is* the OSM demo? what does it do?
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tommorris just gets a list of nearby venues using the geolocation API
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tommorris tying that into checking into the site is the next step
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tommorris that's the fairly easy bit. wrangling the API response to turn it into actual usable venue listings is the hard bit
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barnabywalters ah, fab.
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barnabywalters yep, I've spent the last day or so wrangling cardDAV server responses into manageable data
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barnabywalters it's hideous. they wrap VCARD inside xml.
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tommorris basically, you get back a massive XML file containing all the data necessary to draw a map. but all I really want is an ordered list of venues with some metadata and how far they are away from the point.
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barnabywalters the arrays! the nested arrays!
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tommorris you can chuck away most of the data.
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tommorris I have an example file. Just some XML I downloaded from the API. 453Kb of XML data. the response wrangling script turns that into 32Kb of basically JSON (actually just Ruby object inspector, but basically that's pretty much equivalent to JSON)
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barnabywalters ooh, nasty
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tommorris that's too much data though. the eventual end result will download less data from the API and emit less data.
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tommorris that returns about 120 usable venues
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tommorris nobody is going to sit and scroll through the nearest 120 venues. ;-)
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tommorris 20-30 is all I really need.
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tommorris it's also not very scalable as the more data you process increases both memory usage and CPU usage considerably.
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barnabywalters well, at least you can cache it
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barnabywalters my carddav client is made entirely of caching
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tommorris I don't actually want to cache it. I just want to make the requests small enough.
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barnabywalters the requests take about 1min :|
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tommorris the process takes about 30 seconds to spit out the JSON from the XML
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barnabywalters that's quite a wait too
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tommorris most of that is doing distance calculations. I can speed it up a lot though. Gonna rewrite it in something that's not Ruby so I can spin some of the stuff into worker threads.
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tommorris I tend to write stuff very quickly in Ruby and then rewrite it in Java or a JVM language for speed
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barnabywalters sounds like there's a potential web service in this. I never realised getting nearby venues was such a task
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tommorris I had a Ruby process that took four days to run once. rewrote in Java, took 8 minutes to run.
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barnabywalters tommorris: I'm not a *real* developer. I work in PHP and JS :| Not very familiar with threading
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barnabywalters woah, that's quite a difference :)
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tommorris well, the real important difference is you run the 8 minute run, realise there's a mistake, change it, recompile, re-run and thank Cthulhu you didn't have to wait four days to see there was a mistake.
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barnabywalters :D
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barnabywalters tantek: have you used a firefox os phone?
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