#indiewebcamp 2012-09-22

2012-09-22 UTC
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@xtof_fr #indieweb comment traduire #POSSE en #fra ? http://christopheducamp.com/POSSE
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@xtof_fr Ooops : erreur sur le raccourcisseur d'URL #indieweb précédent. Lien rectifié : http://christopheducamp.com/wiki/POSSE
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /POSSE (+960) "/* Some Example Flows */ Filled them out" (view diff)
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@BarnabyWalters New website is live! It's been a long time coming. I'll release the useful bits of code soon, probably not the whole thing #indieweb
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donpdonp and indieweb vs tent.io blog post would be interesting
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donpdonp s/and/an/
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Loqi donpdonp meant to say: an indieweb vs tent.io blog post would be interesting
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /syndication-models (-265) "removed redundant IA, added link to feed formats" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /syndication-models (+7) "/* Syndication Models */ changed feed formats link to a better name" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /syndication_formats (+2904) "Created page" (view diff)
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@xtof_fr Twitter and the Bitchwagon http://decafbad.net/2012/09/22/twitter-and-the-bitchwagon/ /via @evan #indieweb
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /feeds (+48) "Added link to syndication formats" (view diff)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: congrats on launching the new site!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: thanks! been a long time in the making. It was identi.ca domain name mixups which finally pushed me over the edge
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barnabywalters I think I have a publishing UI to rival yours now :)
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aaronpk wonderful!
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aaronpk how come I can see your "post a note" form when I'm logged in to your site?
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barnabywalters did you see the autocomplete demo video?
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aaronpk what does that do exactly?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yep, that's a bug :)
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aaronpk ah ok
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aaronpk wasn't sure
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barnabywalters nothing, hopefully! apart from give you a demo of my UI
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barnabywalters I'll fix that now
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aaronpk the autocomplete is pretty good!
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barnabywalters I made a load of tweaks to the old jQuery plugin to make it fit my requirements
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barnabywalters soon it will pull in @names for autocompletion from my CardDAV so I can administer them from any CardDAV client
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barnabywalters my @name -> hcard function already does that, just not on the client side yet
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aaronpk cool!
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barnabywalters okay, the new note form shouldn't appear for you now
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aaronpk hrm i'ts still there
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barnabywalters it's a JS change, might be cached
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk yep. apparently the old hard-refresh shortcut doesn't work anymore
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barnabywalters which browser? shift-command-R seems to work alright for me in safari
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barnabywalters although even manually refreshing the cache is inconsistent
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aaronpk yea, command shift R in chrome
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barnabywalters aaronpk: do you have keyboard shortcuts on your site?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk well yes
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aaronpk left and right arrows to navigate between notes and pages
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barnabywalters I just implemented some accesskeys for the main nav. Might to something similar for prev/next
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aaronpk right arrow follows the link with rel="next" and left arrow follows rel="prev"
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barnabywalters that sounds like a sensible implementation
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /display-guidelines (-199) "Removed redundant IA, added link to feed formats" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /display-guidelines (+117) (view diff)
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barnabywalters Interesting passage from the twitter display <del>guidelines</del> requirements:
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barnabywalters However, for linking an avatar, name, and @username, hashtag, you may also choose to link to an internal representation within your application. However, this internal representation must have a link back to the core experience on twitter.com or an official Twitter client in some manner.
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aaronpk how nice of them
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barnabywalters so actually, indieweb usage (replacing @names with h-cards) is perfectly valid, seeing as the linked pages will almost certainly link back to twitter
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barnabywalters not that I particularly care about following their rules
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barnabywalters aaronpk: any plans to extend your twitter reply rewriting to other services and verbs?
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aaronpk haven't thought about it yet, but what were you thinking?
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barnabywalters I had a similar web-actions-oriented idea a while ago but got really bogged down in making an admin interface instead of actually making it work
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barnabywalters I was thinking of adding reply links to any h-cards
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barnabywalters s/h-cards/h-entry
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: I was thinking of adding reply links to any h-entry
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barnabywalters and other twitter links, e.g. favourite
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aaronpk ah yea, that'd be neat
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barnabywalters actually I need to blog about my interpretation of web actions. I need to make sure it syncs up with other people's visions for it
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barnabywalters I see it pretty much as client side webhooks
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aaronpk i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it
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aaronpk i haven't spent much time on that aspect yet
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aaronpk i should make a list of all the aspects of an indieweb site I want to implement, and have little progress bars next to each one based on what i've implemented
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aaronpk oh wait, that sounds like the indierank thing tantek was talking about
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barnabywalters woo progress bars!
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tommorris Oh yeah, I was thinking today about building an Android posting app. open source, like, so people could nick it and customise it for themselves.
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aaronpk indiemark*
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tommorris but I had an idea: using the phone's address book for storing friend's URLs
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aaronpk tommorris: is there a wordpress android app?
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
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barnabywalters aaronpk: my ideal for indierank would be essentially an automated test suite
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tommorris so if I start typing "Barnab", it'd autocomplete and use the stored URL in the address book entry. ;-)
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barnabywalters tommorris: have you seen my nearly cardDAV based web autocomplete?
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tommorris I saw the autocomplete demos. haven't seen the CardDAV implementation yet
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barnabywalters I am doing pretty much what you're suggesting, just not in an android app (no idea how to do java)
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barnabywalters tommorris: basically I have a cardDAV processing script, I just need to pull those results in to the autocomplete database
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tommorris I've done Java for work, and this might be an opportunity to learn Android API.
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barnabywalters aaronpk: RE indiemark: So we'd have a test user script which tries subscribing to a user, tries sending Salmon slaps, checks h-card info etc.
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barnabywalters Then instead of an arbitrary mark, we'd have a test result of the features the tested domain supports
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aaronpk that's not a bad idea!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I had a feeling learning automated testing would change the way I thought about stuff :)
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aaronpk that'd be really fun to see. it's like the microformats validators on steroids
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barnabywalters +1
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aaronpk the google webmaster rich snippets testing tool is really useful, but only checks a couple things
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barnabywalters could it be done using actual integration testing tools, do you think?
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barnabywalters I've only just started using them (like, yesterday) and don't know if it's possible
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aaronpk hmm, probably I suppose
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aaronpk which one are you using?
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tommorris Salmon slap?
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barnabywalters phpunit
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barnabywalters tommorris: yeah, it's some old (2010) protocol for sending signed messages
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barnabywalters statusnet (and friendica, I think, as well as D*) implement it
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aaronpk speaking of salmons, did you ever write up your understanding of the protocol?
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barnabywalters I haven't yet, but I've tested out the envelope signing code
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I haven't even started implementing it yet! had higher priorities
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barnabywalters now my new site is live I should be able to get a test implementation working
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barnabywalters btw aaronpk, did you know readability parses h-atom?
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aaronpk nice
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Quote_Guidelines (+164) "Organised page, added stub examples, links to dev.twitter, academic citations work" (view diff)
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barnabywalters is signing off for the night. goodnight all!
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Loqi sweet dreams
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Quote_Guidelines (+308) "/* Examples in the Wild */ Added twitter bootstrap markup" (view diff)
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