#indiewebcamp 2012-10-22

2012-10-22 UTC
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@edbury Best POSSE solution utilizing @wordpress for syndicating to Twitter? #indieweb
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joshr_ tantek hey man :)
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joshr_ so the question is really bigger than i alluded to on facebook.. it's not just about blogging of course
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tantek of course
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joshr_ i guess i'm after falcon.. but it's a bit bleeding edge for me at the moment, how's progress?
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tantek here's some background reading: http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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joshr_ (stop me if this has been covered tons already)
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joshr_ ok
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tantek even if it *has* been covered tons already, clearly we can improve discoverability of the information
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tantek so it is good to keep asking these questions
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joshr_ and things change fast too
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tantek Falcon *is* too bleeding edge for anyone else to use at this point, however, the Falcon functions I've open sourced in #cassis.js are quite usable and a few folks have incorporated some of them into their own solutions.
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barnabywalters cassis auto_link = best auto-linking function ever ;)
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tantek My approach with Falcon is to a) get functionality barely working however necessary for myself, b) clean-up/fix common code/functions and release them as part of CASSIS for everyone else to use sooner rather than trying to release some monolithic package
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tantek thanks barnabywalters!
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tantek It *does* do a better job than both Twitter and Facebook's autolinkers, so I'm pretty happy with that.
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joshr_ ok got it
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tantek and hang out here daily
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tantek :D
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joshr_ auto_link is the embed function?
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barnabywalters tantek: yuk, twitter’s autolinker is not only awful but inconsistent across platforms and contexts >:(
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joshr_ ha yeah of course..
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joshr_ is not a coder, btw
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tantek autolink is at its simplest the code that turns a plain text URL into an <a href="">…</a> that links the URL.
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joshr_ right, using oEmbed?
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tantek but it optionally auto-embeds images, vidoes as well
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joshr_ ok
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tantek no oembed, purely computational
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tantek oembed is kind of a fail from an http requests perspective
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joshr_ yeah
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tommorris has the porting of autolink from Cassis into Ruby on his to-do list.
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joshr_ hey tom :)
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tantek oembed is trying too hard when simpler solutions are possible that use fewer network requests/traffic
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tommorris is in watching-old-Buffy-episodes-while-noodling-around-with-OSM-data lurkmode.
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barnabywalters tommorris: tantek: didn’t you come up with bits of code which would run in php/js/ruby? I’m assuming the syntaxes are too different to have one file which runs in anything
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tommorris barnabywalters: cassis is the subset of php and JS.
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aaronpk http://tantek.com/2012/090/t1/javascript-php-c-ruby-cassisproject-cassisjs
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barnabywalters aaronpk: that’s the one
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joshr_ an aside, but it's pretty awesome that you're all just here for Q&A :) thanks all
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tantek joshr_, it's almost like a community ;)
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joshr_ OMG
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tantek barnabywalters that very autolinker you like is both valid PHP and valid JS
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joshr_ it's more the immediacy that's striking
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barnabywalters tantek: tommorris: sure, I get that cassis is PHP+JS. That has not passed me by ;)
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tantek in fact… /me switches channels
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tantek (#microformats that is)
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joshr_ ok i'm going to do some reading, and make sure i cover all the things i need, or *think* i need.. thanks guys
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tantek joshr_ - you can ask questions about CASSIS in #cassis.js as well - not many of us there, but that's where we hang for that.
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Loqi http://loqi.me/5TZ
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joshr_ tantek: thanks
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tantek haha - welcome to your first Loqi memeification joshr_
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joshr_ amaze
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tommorris tantek: for some reason, I can't get the regex within auto_link to work in Ruby
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tantek well it works in both JS and PHP
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tantek so it must be Ruby's fault
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tantek I suggest blogging about it as such, posting on HackerNews, and then getting all the Ruby fan bois in a tussle about it until they fix Ruby or fix the regex
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aaronpk :)
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barnabywalters heh
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tommorris tantek: I prefer not to troll Hacker News
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aaronpk trolling hackernews is fun
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tantek really tommorris, and here I thought you did it for sport (your API post was quite effective)
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tantek ;)
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tommorris tantek: that was completely unintentional.
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barnabywalters it wasn’t even tommorris who posted it there! (right?)
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tommorris nope.
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tommorris it's a genre issue. if I post something goofy on Twitter, it doesn't get treated in the same way as it does if I post it on tommorris.org
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barnabywalters tommorris: I wonder if that could be because all your content is equal on tommorris.org?
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tommorris barnabywalters: not any more. tommorris.org/articles now exists. ;-)
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barnabywalters tommorris: but everything still lives under /posts/, right?
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barnabywalters and uses the same styling?
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tommorris yup
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barnabywalters so it is all equal
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tommorris I may need to fix that.
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@singpolyma Doing your own backups is both an advantage and a disadvantage of #indieweb https://singpolyma.net/?post_type=actionstream&p=301163
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tantek singpolyma - surely you can create better URLs than that for syndication
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singpolyma tantek: I syndicate custom short links
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singpolyma Loqi only follow one of two redirects on said short link
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek singpolyma - it's not up to Loqi to fix what you send to Twitter
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tantek once the links are un-t.co'd, whatever shows up is your fault
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singpolyma ... Loqi broke what I send to twitter :)
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singpolyma http://sngpl.ma/t4La1 is what I sent
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barnabywalters singpolyma: so why so many redirects? surely that is fragile?
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singpolyma barnabywalters: well, it's just 2. One from http://sngpl.ma/t4La1 to the WordPress-internal URI and then WordPress does one to the real permalink
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singpolyma it's so I don't need to import all of wordpress into my shortener
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tantek hmm - looks like a bug
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tantek btw
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tantek speaking of bugs
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tantek how about that AWS SPOF for social sharing services/silos? http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/22/aws-ec2-issues-in-north-virginia-affect-heroku-reddit-and-others-heroku-still-down/
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tommorris tantek, found the issue with the regex.
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tommorris Ruby and Python versions of auto_link comin' soon. ;-)
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barnabywalters tommorris: ruby and python? awesome :)
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tommorris well, I tested it in python to be sure. the regex works, just Ruby was having some weird text encoding error
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tommorris as in...
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tommorris re = /_regex_/
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tommorris doesn't work but
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tommorris re = Regexp.new("_regex_") does.
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barnabywalters I’m assuming re=/regex/ is a shortcut for Regex.new?
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tommorris well, Ruby has Perl-style regex literals.
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tantek tommorris - woot! nicely done.
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Loqi :D
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tommorris tantek: I was using Twitter's twitter-text. it's pretty broken.
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tantek yeah it is
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barnabywalters is signing off. Goodnight all.
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Loqi sweet dreams
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@23andMe Join us in supporting the efforts of @GeneticAlliance to improve patient access to clinical lab results: http://blog.23andme.com/news/23andme-supports-better-access-to-health-records/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=blog #ownyourdata
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tantek interesting
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tantek so it looks like 4sqq wqas down about four hours
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tantek due to AWS outage
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tantek I think my webhost is more reliable than AWS
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aaronpk yea, and I really wanted to check in to Epicenter Cafe right then!!
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aaronpk really want to get my indieweb checkin thing built
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aaronpk (i.e. publishing checkins on aaronparecki.com similar to notes and articles)
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@WarOnCancer “@23andMe:....supporting ... @GeneticAlliance to improve patient access to clinical lab results: http://blog.23andme.com/news/23andme-supports-better-access-to-health-records/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=blog #ownyourdata” #gmdd
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tantek wait, aaronpk - are you in SF?
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tantek yeah, we have a wiki page for indieweb checkins right?
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tantek I know we had at least a session at IndieWebCamp2012, and I did a barcamp session during OSBridge2012 on it as well
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tantek.com created /geo (+115) "stub with links to what people might mean" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /checkins (+21) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /location (-113) "collapse top level to do into stub statement. remove empty people section, people can show interest by contributing to the page, not adding their name to a me-too list.rm empty demos section." (view diff)
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tantek.com created /checkin (+1772) "draft with definition, reference to sessions, and a few use cases off the top of my head" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2012/Open_Checkins (+61) "see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: yep! for the CodeStrong conference!
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tantek I'm working on a "checkin" page on the indiewebcamp wiki that abstracts/documents all the stuff we've discussed in our sessions on the topic so far: http://indiewebcamp.com/checkin
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tantek I've kicked it off with a few of the use-cases
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tantek please feel free to add more to it
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tantek today's 4+ h4 4sq outage was a good reminder to keep this moving forward
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tommorris has a working link extractor gem written in Ruby using the regex from cassis.
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tommorris now just has to remember his password for rubygems.org ;-)
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tantek nice!
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tantek tommorris - if you want any problems, let me know
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tantek I specifically isolated the regex in its own function to allow patching just that
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tommorris https://github.com/tommorris/rlinkextract
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tommorris I'll write some documentation and the like shortly.
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tantek cool. linking it somehow back to cassis.js would be cool so people could send any suggestions upstream as well.
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tommorris yep, will add a README in a second
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tommorris just want to push 0.0.1 out as a gem