#indiewebcamp 2012-11-12
2012-11-12 UTC
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+144) "fix the hCalendar for IndieWebCamp 2013, clean up prose and section headings a little, move description of indiewebcamp weekend down to the event area" (view diff)
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# tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+774) "add photos from IndieWebCamp 2012 UK, move photos below intro summary" (view diff)
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joel.franusic.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+0) "/* Creators */ fix link on Joël Franusic" (view diff)
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barnabywalters good evening tantek
# barnabywalters looks
# barnabywalters nice. The almost shortlink next to the date is interesting
# barnabywalters my immediate reaction is wanting to see a preview of the citation
# barnabywalters it’s hard to get a sense of exactly what I’m getting from the scrolling line of code
# barnabywalters ah, that is the abbr title implied p-name pattern you mentioned?
# barnabywalters <abbr>I</abbr>! wow. that usage did not occur to me
# barnabywalters runs it through php-mf to see what comes out
# barnabywalters so most of that is handled pretty well, I just have to add the implied abbr title p-name
# barnabywalters and put the children key in the right place (currently under properties of the parent)
# barnabywalters it’s cool to see inline µf2 being used in the wild
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters - http://www.percona.com/ppc2009/PPC2009_mysql_pagination.pdf
# barnabywalters reads
# barnabywalters I doubt I’ll be dealing with 50 million rows anytime soon ;)
# sandeepshetty :) I like the id based approach
# barnabywalters well, I suppose specifying ?maxId would have the same permanence as ?maxDate
# sandeepshetty I'm also trying to avoid the count(*) to figure out where I am wiithout page nos being passed around.
# barnabywalters it’s slightly less meaningful in the URLs though
# sandeepshetty why is it less meaningful?
# barnabywalters *love* the idea of redirecting to the wikipedia page for internet addiction after a certain number of pageviews ;)
# sandeepshetty yeah :)
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: specifying a maximum date is human-readable and human-writable. max-id is only really machine writable
# barnabywalters it’s like text stubs vs ids for articles. I use text stubs, and could probably give you the correct URL for any one of my articles off the top of my head. I couldn’t if I used IDs in the URLs
# barnabywalters …as I do with my notes. but I am far less likely to need to remember them
# sandeepshetty hmm... For pagination, I guess the URL with the date is more hackable than the one with id.
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: easy solution: offer both, use id internally for performance
# sandeepshetty id or text stubs for articles seems to me more about remembering than hackability
# barnabywalters then the machines get what they handle best and humans can use what they use best
# sandeepshetty you mean pass both in the query string?
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: apart from, as in wikis, when visiting a nonexistant page offers it’s creation
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: no, I mean accept either of them
# sandeepshetty but the interface would only use one by default so the other would be invisible?
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: only invisible if you don’t document it!
# sandeepshetty I was assuming the whole point of hackable URLs was to avoid reading the docs :D
# barnabywalters hm. I wonder how would be a good way to document it transparently without actually using it
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters - this is similar to my approach to avoid the count (*) query
# barnabywalters ah yep, the “find one more than you display” technique
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# melvster1 met you at TPAC (Melvin) ... waves to tantek
# melvster1 hi! :)
# melvster1 new page looks great
# melvster1 tantek: I have to admit, it's a slim chance right now, but I can definitely follow on IRC, or maybe help with some coding ...
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tantek you could sign-up as a remote participant for now: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List#Remote_Participants
# melvster1 oh cool
# melvster1 let me just code up the indie auth
# melvster1 can i do
# melvster1 in the head?
# melvster1 site is http://melvincarvalho.com
# melvster1 lol good point ... forgot about that!
# melvster1 No valid authentication providers were found at http://melvincarvalho.com
# melvster1 i now have <a rel="me" href="http://twitter.com/melvincarvalho">Twitter</a>
# tantek page validates just fine. tried it on https://indieauth.com/ also
# melvster1 oh
# melvster1 i still get 'No valid authentication providers were found at http://melvincarvalho.com'
# melvster1 let me try another browser
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# melvster1 same in chrome ..
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@sandeepshetty #converspace now paginates! This was necessitated by the 21st post :) #indieweb (http://www.sandeep.io/posts/23)
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# melvster1 ahh
# melvster1 make sense ... so i added my homepage to twitter
# melvster1 still the same error
# melvster1 No valid authentication providers were found at http://melvincarvalho.com
# melvster1 let me try chrome
# melvster1 oh wait
# melvster1 maybe i need the trailing slash on the end
# melvster1 no it fails with every combination of / and without
# tantek aaronpk - btw https://indieauth.com/ - at the bottom right, need to update it to mention / link to IndieWebCamp *2013* along with updated dates
# melvster1 yeah i noticed that
# melvster1 evil twitter!
# melvster1 at least they got rid of the #!
# melvster1 301s are a pain
# melvster1 and 303s
# melvster1 well at least we found a bug!